Re: [CR]re: new york condor

(Example: Framebuilders:Doug Fattic)

Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:39:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: "Guy Apple" <cinelliguy@earthlink.net>
To: Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]re: new york condor


A deal is a deal. Honor it.

Guy Apple Sunnyvale CA USA

-----Original Message-----

>From: Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com>

>Sent: May 27, 2007 1:58 PM

>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>Subject: [CR]re: new york condor

>

>Jerry Moos wrote:

>

> can appreciate Aaron's annoyance, but I'm not sure the sellers were

>really unethical. It sounds like they were selling a single bike they

>had owned for many years, perhaps the only bike they have ever sold.

>I'd agree that it would be unethical for a bike shop or a major

>collector to renege on a sale like this, but it is a major pain to have

>to wait for a check and then sort out the packing and shipping of a bike

>if you've never done it before and don't ever expect to do it again. In

>this situation, I can't blame the sellers too much for taking the easy

>way out and just selling it locally for cash. I don't think I would do

>that, but I don't blame them.

>

>*******

>

>I have to say, I disagree with Jerry on this. If you've agreed to sell

>a bike to someone, and agreed to take their check, you've sold the bike.

> You don't turn around and sell it to someone else without at least

>contacting your first buyer to give them a chance to meet any higher

>offer.

>

>If they didn't want to take Jerry's check, and take the bike to shop for

>packing and shipping (hardly a hassle), they never should have agreed to

>do that in the first place, yes?

>

>And it matters not a whit that this was an older couple, selling their

>only bike. They certainly had to know the rules of such a transaction.

>This kind of basic civility extends to all transactions.

>

>As for selling local, that's just bs. They could have taken the bike to

>any good shop, or given the bike to Aaron's agent, who would have paid

>them cash, had they asked. No hassle involved.

>

>The deal stinks as far as I'm concerned.

>

>I can't say anything about the person who ended up with the bike, other

>than if I were involved in a similar deal, I'd be a little wary of

>buying the bike. Although I might do it, I confess. It's not the

>buyer's concern to worry overmuch about another potential buyer.

>

>It's the sellers who did a bad thing here.

>

>And, Barry, for what it's worth the "person" in California who should

>have had that bike is Aaron Lipstadt, a long-time member of this list, a

>reputable collector and someone who is a good friend to a number of us

>out here. So acting as if the buyer who got ther first, and should have

>had the bike, is some kind of anonymous chump who somehow didn't deserve

>it, doesn't sit too well with some of us, if you know what I mean.

>

>Charles Andrews

>Los Angeles