Re: [CR]Intro to another Kiwi, and 1950s Frejus age and model ID

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:12:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Intro to another Kiwi, and 1950s Frejus age and model ID
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To: mark.battley@xtra.co.nz, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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I cryptically forgot to say that the track bike had the first generation Campagnolo Record track gruppo.

Joe


----- Original Message -----
From: joebz@optonline.net
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:09:00 -0000
Subject: Re: [CR]Intro to another Kiwi, and 1950s Frejus age and model ID
To: mark.battley@xtra.co.nz
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


> I would put this at 1957 or 1958 and it is the top model, not

\r?\n> the Tour de France. I had a 1958 track bike with serial number

\r?\n> 86007 and this is 85741. The track bike is very likely a 1958

\r?\n> because it had all the original equipment including the square

\r?\n> cranks with the dust caps, the shorter pedal spindles etc that I

\r?\n> suppose were only made in 1958.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> By the way, the track bike, #86007 was stolen long ago in

\r?\n> Washington Heights, Manhattan. The damn thing was all chrome

\r?\n> with the blue panels and they ripped out my front door (great

\r?\n> neighborhood at the time) to steal it.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Joe Bender-Zanoni

\r?\n> Great Notch, NJ

\r?\n>

\r?\n> ----- Original Message -----

\r?\n> From: Mark Battley

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:11 am

\r?\n> Subject: [CR]Intro to another Kiwi, and 1950s Frejus age and

\r?\n> model ID

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n>

\r?\n> > Hi all,

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Have been lurking here for a week, thought I should finally

\r?\n> say

\r?\n> > hello. I'm Mark

\r?\n> > Battley, from Auckland, New Zealand. I have been here before

\r?\n> for

\r?\n> > a while around

\r?\n> > 2001-2003, and then went into hiding. Last week I purchased a

\r?\n> > "project" 1950s

\r?\n> > Frejus from David Benson who also lurks here, so thought I

\r?\n> would

\r?\n> > join up again.

\r?\n> > I'm also into Italian cars, so figured I should get a rusty

\r?\n> > Italian bike to

\r?\n> > match!

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > The Frejus can be seen at

\r?\n> > http://picasaweb.google.com/MarkABattley/Frejus

\r?\n> > As you can see, it needs plenty of TLC, starting with a very good

\r?\n> > strip/clean/grease. Paint is chipped but otherwise not too

\r?\n> bad.

\r?\n> > Chrome is sad.

\r?\n> > It does move, at least as far as the end of the driveway and

\r?\n> > back again!

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > S/N is 85741. According to

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Frejus/Frejus_serial_numbers.htm that

\r?\n> > would put it after 1955, which it has to be anyhow since the

\r?\n> > head-tube badge

\r?\n> > reads: Campione Del Mondo 1930,32,48,51,53,54,55.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Any suggestions as to how to pin the age down better?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I was told that it is a Tour de France, however the bottom

\r?\n> > bracket is stamped

\r?\n> > MC56. According to

\r?\n> > http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/frejus.html the letters

\r?\n> > are the model and the number the frame size (i.e. MC 56, MS

\r?\n> 60,

\r?\n> > TDF58).

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > The above reference is not completely explicit though; does MC

\r?\n> > mean M Super

\r?\n> > Corsa, or something else?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Basic details:

\r?\n> > Frame size: nominal 56cm, Seat tube: 56cm c/t, 55c/c, Top

\r?\n> tube: 56cm

\r?\n> > Headset: Frejus - broken grease nipple on back of headtube

\r?\n> > BB: Frejus Nichrom, with grease nipple

\r?\n> > Cranks: Durax-Special Courses with Magistroni chainrings (47/50).

\r?\n> > RD: Campagnolo Gran Sport (pre 1961)

\r?\n> > FD: None at present (apparently at one stage had lever type),

\r?\n> > have Campagnolo

\r?\n> > Gran Sport to fit.

\r?\n> > Shift Lever: Single Benelux, to be replaced by Campagnolo

\r?\n> double

\r?\n> > - I have bought

\r?\n> > some 1960s levers, would like to find some Gran Sport "open C"

\r?\n> > ones if anybody

\r?\n> > happens to have any lying around.

\r?\n> > Pedals: Phillips, English

\r?\n> > Stem: GB Reynolds 531 10cm

\r?\n> > Brakes: Mafac Dural Forge, Mafac levers

\r?\n> > Hubs: English Solite (at least the front is), 32/40 spokes,

\r?\n> > 14/15/16/17/19Everest cluster

\r?\n> > Rims: Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1-1/4.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I'm told that apparently the mix of Italian and English

\r?\n> > components is probably

\r?\n> > because due to import/tax reasons back then bikes were usually

\r?\n> > imported to NZ as

\r?\n> > frames and built up here.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > The only other vaguely classic (or at least old) complete bike

\r?\n> I

\r?\n> > have is a late

\r?\n> > 70s (was told 1979 from S/N) Peugeot Course, Vitus 172 Serie

\r?\n> > Legere Special

\r?\n> > double butted tubing.

\r?\n> > http://picasaweb.google.com/MarkABattley/1979PeugeotCourseWhen

\r?\n> I

\r?\n> > bought it in 2001 it had Simplex DT shifters and FD, RD had

\r?\n> been

\r?\n> > replacedwith an old Superbe pro. Rear hub was 6spd Atom,

\r?\n> RIGIDA

\r?\n> > 700C rim, front wheel

\r?\n> > had been replaced by a really cruddy 27" steel rim thing.

\r?\n> > Weimann sidepulls, Mafac levers, ATAX handlebars. Crankset

\r?\n> > labelled Peugeot.

\r?\n> > Since then it has had a variety of components and wheels

\r?\n> passed

\r?\n> > down from other

\r?\n> > bikes, and is currently running 9spd Ultegra, with mudguards

\r?\n> and

\r?\n> > a rack for

\r?\n> > commuting. Nothing flash, but rides nicely.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Also have more modern stuff to (try and) go fast, was using a

\r?\n> > Cannondale CAD3

\r?\n> > but recently bought a Kestrel Evoke. So a bit of an eclectic

\r?\n> > mix! Have a few

\r?\n> > other frames hanging around as well.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Anyhow, any comments on the age and model of the Frejus appreciated!

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Thanks,

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Mark

\r?\n> > Auckland, NZ