I cryptically forgot to say that the track bike had the first generation Campagnolo Record track gruppo.
Joe
> I would put this at 1957 or 1958 and it is the top model, not
\r?\n> the Tour de France. I had a 1958 track bike with serial number
\r?\n> 86007 and this is 85741. The track bike is very likely a 1958
\r?\n> because it had all the original equipment including the square
\r?\n> cranks with the dust caps, the shorter pedal spindles etc that I
\r?\n> suppose were only made in 1958.
\r?\n>
\r?\n> By the way, the track bike, #86007 was stolen long ago in
\r?\n> Washington Heights, Manhattan. The damn thing was all chrome
\r?\n> with the blue panels and they ripped out my front door (great
\r?\n> neighborhood at the time) to steal it.
\r?\n>
\r?\n> Joe Bender-Zanoni
\r?\n> Great Notch, NJ
\r?\n>
\r?\n> ----- Original Message -----
\r?\n> From: Mark Battley
\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:11 am
\r?\n> Subject: [CR]Intro to another Kiwi, and 1950s Frejus age and
\r?\n> model ID
\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
\r?\n>
\r?\n> > Hi all,
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Have been lurking here for a week, thought I should finally
\r?\n> say
\r?\n> > hello. I'm Mark
\r?\n> > Battley, from Auckland, New Zealand. I have been here before
\r?\n> for
\r?\n> > a while around
\r?\n> > 2001-2003, and then went into hiding. Last week I purchased a
\r?\n> > "project" 1950s
\r?\n> > Frejus from David Benson who also lurks here, so thought I
\r?\n> would
\r?\n> > join up again.
\r?\n> > I'm also into Italian cars, so figured I should get a rusty
\r?\n> > Italian bike to
\r?\n> > match!
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > The Frejus can be seen at
\r?\n> > http://picasaweb.google.com/
\r?\n> > As you can see, it needs plenty of TLC, starting with a very good
\r?\n> > strip/clean/grease. Paint is chipped but otherwise not too
\r?\n> bad.
\r?\n> > Chrome is sad.
\r?\n> > It does move, at least as far as the end of the driveway and
\r?\n> > back again!
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > S/N is 85741. According to
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
\r?\n> > would put it after 1955, which it has to be anyhow since the
\r?\n> > head-tube badge
\r?\n> > reads: Campione Del Mondo 1930,32,48,51,53,54,55.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Any suggestions as to how to pin the age down better?
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > I was told that it is a Tour de France, however the bottom
\r?\n> > bracket is stamped
\r?\n> > MC56. According to
\r?\n> > http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/
\r?\n> > are the model and the number the frame size (i.e. MC 56, MS
\r?\n> 60,
\r?\n> > TDF58).
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > The above reference is not completely explicit though; does MC
\r?\n> > mean M Super
\r?\n> > Corsa, or something else?
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Basic details:
\r?\n> > Frame size: nominal 56cm, Seat tube: 56cm c/t, 55c/c, Top
\r?\n> tube: 56cm
\r?\n> > Headset: Frejus - broken grease nipple on back of headtube
\r?\n> > BB: Frejus Nichrom, with grease nipple
\r?\n> > Cranks: Durax-Special Courses with Magistroni chainrings (47/50).
\r?\n> > RD: Campagnolo Gran Sport (pre 1961)
\r?\n> > FD: None at present (apparently at one stage had lever type),
\r?\n> > have Campagnolo
\r?\n> > Gran Sport to fit.
\r?\n> > Shift Lever: Single Benelux, to be replaced by Campagnolo
\r?\n> double
\r?\n> > - I have bought
\r?\n> > some 1960s levers, would like to find some Gran Sport "open C"
\r?\n> > ones if anybody
\r?\n> > happens to have any lying around.
\r?\n> > Pedals: Phillips, English
\r?\n> > Stem: GB Reynolds 531 10cm
\r?\n> > Brakes: Mafac Dural Forge, Mafac levers
\r?\n> > Hubs: English Solite (at least the front is), 32/40 spokes,
\r?\n> > 14/15/16/17/19Everest cluster
\r?\n> > Rims: Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1-1/4.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > I'm told that apparently the mix of Italian and English
\r?\n> > components is probably
\r?\n> > because due to import/tax reasons back then bikes were usually
\r?\n> > imported to NZ as
\r?\n> > frames and built up here.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > The only other vaguely classic (or at least old) complete bike
\r?\n> I
\r?\n> > have is a late
\r?\n> > 70s (was told 1979 from S/N) Peugeot Course, Vitus 172 Serie
\r?\n> > Legere Special
\r?\n> > double butted tubing.
\r?\n> > http://picasaweb.google.com/
\r?\n> I
\r?\n> > bought it in 2001 it had Simplex DT shifters and FD, RD had
\r?\n> been
\r?\n> > replacedwith an old Superbe pro. Rear hub was 6spd Atom,
\r?\n> RIGIDA
\r?\n> > 700C rim, front wheel
\r?\n> > had been replaced by a really cruddy 27" steel rim thing.
\r?\n> > Weimann sidepulls, Mafac levers, ATAX handlebars. Crankset
\r?\n> > labelled Peugeot.
\r?\n> > Since then it has had a variety of components and wheels
\r?\n> passed
\r?\n> > down from other
\r?\n> > bikes, and is currently running 9spd Ultegra, with mudguards
\r?\n> and
\r?\n> > a rack for
\r?\n> > commuting. Nothing flash, but rides nicely.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Also have more modern stuff to (try and) go fast, was using a
\r?\n> > Cannondale CAD3
\r?\n> > but recently bought a Kestrel Evoke. So a bit of an eclectic
\r?\n> > mix! Have a few
\r?\n> > other frames hanging around as well.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Anyhow, any comments on the age and model of the Frejus appreciated!
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Thanks,
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Mark
\r?\n> > Auckland, NZ