Re: [CR]re: when is a restoration not a restoration?

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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:21:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: <gholl@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]re: when is a restoration not a restoration?
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To: Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com>
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Dear Mr. Andrews: Your point that "something that's original is* different*" isn't necessarily so. Many original finishes exist tod ay as do the men that applied them. Not too long ago I showed on this forum a bike restoration carried out by Mr. Alberto Masi himself whic h was original in every way-according to the Master himself! George Hollenberg MD Westport, CT, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Andrews"


Date: Sunday, June 3, 2007 10:46 am Subject: Re: [CR]re: when is a restoration not a restoration?

To: gabriel l romeu , Thomas Adams

Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> I wasn't making a comment about quality. That is a largely
> subjective issue
> in the case of frame finishes (and most other things), although
> certain
> characteristics of a frame finish might be considered by
> consensus to be
> better or worse.
>
> My point was that something that's not original is *different.*
> Whether
> that difference floats your boat higher or lower is a matter for
> your taste
> buds.
>
> Charles "original tastes better" Andrews
> Los Angeles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gabriel l romeu"
> To: "Thomas Adams"
> Cc: "Charles Andrews" ;
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]re: when is a restoration not a restorati on?
>
>
> Being a craftsman, likes to support craftspeople, and agreeing
> wholeheartedly with with your assessment of the potential of quality
> enhancement which IS generally good for a functional object, I rea lly
> appreciate your perspective on refinishing. And even better, co
> optingideas and choices of the user in the process...cool
>
> Add this to my appreciation of a good patina allows me to
> appreciate the
> 4 newly repainted frames Rita and I just got back from Mike
> Barry with
> just as much vigor of the ones that have obviously been and will
> be well
> used and loved...gabriel
>
> got a off topic bike in the basement that allegedly was used by
> Hincapiethat needs a new stem and steertube, could use some
> touch up hear and
> there, anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thomas Adams wrote:
> > Dear Charles & List:
> >
> > But might not the river be improved when you step in the
> second time?
> > Philosophically, a refinish is also a unique point in time, and
> > represents the owner communing more closely with the soul of his
> > machine, making it more his or hers, making it "better". Certainly
> > any of the reputable refinishers on the list will do a
> "better" job
> > than just about any factory applied finish I've seen. After
> all, a
> > bike is, at its heart, a tool, and tools that are given a "better"
> > (more durable, more protective and prettier) finish coat are b etter
> > tools. We buy bikes because of what we believe about the
> skill of
> > the man or men who selected the materials, designed the geomet ry,
> > mitered the tubes and brazed the joints: no one asks the name
> of the
> > bloke who spritzed on the enamel. If we didn't care about
> that when
> > we bought the frame, why suffer the indignity of an ugly bike to
> > perpetuate what is the least important part of a bike? If
> > collectors pay more for a ratty, chipped up original finish th at's
> > allowing the frame to rust away, well that merely illustrates how
> > many poor misguided fellows there are in the world :-) Cher
> > Charles, we'll have to agree to disagree.
> >
> > Tom "paint is a consumable" Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
>
> --
> gabriel l romeu
> a final posting for the day in
> chesterfield nj usa
> ± http://studiofurniture.com Ø http://journalphoto.org ±
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>

George Hollenberg MD
CT, USA