Re: [CR]Raleigh questions

(Example: Framebuilding:Technology)

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donald Gillies <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh questions

1. Some of your questions about team bikes would be better addressed in the TI Raleigh Team Pros Yahoo group.

2. To answer your question about team bike seat stays and colors :

- hilary stone has an early all-red team bike before they were sold to the public - in the picture archives of the TI Raleigh Team Pros group. It's like an all-red 1973 raleigh pro with a fastback cluster BUT it has huret dropouts (rather than campy) as raleigh made these team bikes with Jubilee gears and Nervar Star cranks.

According to a 1980 interview, "Raleigh took the approach that no penny should be left unpinched with the early team bikes. Jubilee derailleurs clogged with mud after every rainy ride, and the polished Nervar cranks turned gray after just a week or two in the english weather ..." These bikes also had weinmann 500 brakes.

- one member of the TI raleigh team pros group has what looks like a 1974 professional model in original team paint with a yellow head tube, as depicted in the catalogue. It's an "A"-series frame, meaning it was made in Worksop. This bike was provided as a special-order to a northern CA Raleigh rep after talking personally to Gerald O'Donovan about cycling needs.

- other than these two exceptions, it is believed that NO team bikes were produced with the brampton-victor fastback stays, despite the fact that the 1974 catalogue depicts a bike like that. That 1974 catalogue also depicts a lot of stuff that was never sold (black campy chainrings, black campy headset, etc.) Moreover, the yellow head tubes went onto only SB1 - SB100 - head tubes were changed to black after only about 1 year of production had been finished.

Incidentally, the 1974 catalogue depicts an AVA double eyeletted rim with a red label around the valve hole. This was an alternate badging for the AVA double-eyelet rim, which often came with a blue foil label.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA