... funny story perhaps. was really ill several years ago and finally broke down to have the basics, bathroom kitchen floors etc cleaned by one of those outsource providers. went really well by the way ... except ... i have a very small house so i put all my "stuff" on track stands in the front yard for a very long day. many cars and a few bike riders, yes. but no one stoppped. i could have put a free sign on these things with no takers. come to think of it, actually there is probably nothing here that any one would walk across the street to get for free ... so ... it's not what they are worth to you, or anyone else, it's how much love they bring to you, regardless of one's personal circumstances. r. clair who seems to be channeling some Rod McKuen at the moment ... alex, va 22308
<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Now list rules...
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> << Dashed expectations are not uncommon in our hobby.>>
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> So true, so true...
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> Lou said he tends to underestimate values; I tend to be too optimistic
> when asked. Except for a few super stellar (in terms of collector appeal)
> models, generally these cool old bikes end up selling for significantly
> less than I would have guessed. So why would anyone want my opinion? :)
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> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> 336.274.5959
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: loudeeter@aol.com
> To: johnb@oxford.net; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Now list rules...
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> I insure my bikes.? Not cheap, but they are?covered at the stated value.?
> Regarding value, if you want to know what something is worth, all you have
> to do
> is ask a few individuals in a private email (as mentioned by someone
> earlier).?
> If they don't know, they'll usually guide you to someone who does.? Having
> said
> that, I've given my opinion freely to people who ask for it and for the
> past two
> years, I've been low on value.? I think that is because I have likely
> misjudged
> how some prices have risen, particularly Campagnolo parts.? I think I'm
> still a
> pretty good judge about most?frames, but, if you have something that is
> very
> rare or niche market, you need to find the right specialist to advise
> you.? If
> you are that skittish about it , then?ebay will?determine the market?value
> for
> you.? But?even there, you have to know how to do it--good pictures,
> accurate
> description, right finishing time--all those things can affect the bid.?
> But,
> when the ebay bids are topping out at $300, you can't expect to believe
> that the
> frame is worth $1000.? Dashed expectations are not uncommon in?our hobby.?
> Lou
> Deeter, Orlando FL USA??
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 4:23 pm
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> At 03:22 PM 12/07/2007 EDT, LeMansGTMAN@aol.com wrote:
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>>On another discussion forum I recently held up Dale's requirement that
>>posters have to ID themselves fully at the end of every message as a
> shining
>>example of an excellent rule that largely prevents the mis-use / abuse of
> said
>>forum* - suggesting that it was one that they might usefully adopt...
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>>*Most typically the use of personal invective / brainless humour etc.,
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>>To this another member of that list replied that would be an infringement
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>>UK Data Protection Laws, his human rights & his right to privacy!
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> I can see where people could be paranoid about revealing their identity
> and
> location on the Internet. That is one rule here that I overlooked
> originally because I just assumed the "rules" were the usual stuff about
> no
> flaming, profanity or personal attacks and didn't need to read them
> because
> I'd participated in mailing lists for almost two decades. However, in this
> particular hobby of ours, names and locations actually mean a lot. We rely
> a lot on historic and anecdotal information and it's so much more credible
> when coming from a real person from a real location, rather than someone
> hiding behind a pseudonym in cyberspace.
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> As for trying to determine a fair price for a vintage bike or part, that's
> a little tougher. As was already mentioned, a large portion of the
> "market"
> is right here on this list, and you still wouldn't get a reliable answer
> from people who are looking for the very same item, hoping to find a
> bargain, or others trying to sell the very same thing for a profit. The
> trouble is (maybe fortunately) that the vintage bike market just isn't big
> enough for price guidelines to be established. A certain bike may be worth
> $2000 to a collector, but an insurance adjustor would only see $2 worth of
> scrap metal. I wonder how many bike collectors actually have their stuff
> insured and how it was appraised.
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> John Betmanis
> Woodstock, Ontario
> Canada
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