[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 56, Issue 49

<curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [CR]Listees Bike shop pictures

> ok heres one
> http://flickr.com/photos/acmebicycle/sets/72157594562216664/
> have fun
> peace
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> From: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com>
> To: <rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com>,"Larry Myers"
> <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>,<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Listees Bike shop pictures
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:52:56 -0400
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> Ok its like this. I was looking at the "not all bikes go to
> heavenpictures and was just as interested in the background.
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> I have worked in a bike shop off and on since I was 14 or so.
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> Even now with a day job I still do.
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> I want to see pictures of the shop. But what about other listees that are
> shop owners. Could you post a few?
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> Come on don't be shy.
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> Howard Darr
> Clymer PA USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:14:53 -0400 From: "Silver, Mordecai" <MSilver@iso.com> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bikes in the Colnago Museum Message-ID: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D8171A@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> In-Reply-To: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D81718@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> References: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D81718@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/features/colnago_pinar e llo200807

"Our visit to Colnago concluded with a swing through the Colnago Museum, where Colnago showed us two new additions to the incredible collection. Right next to Colnago's Gloria racing bicycle from the late 1940s, lovingly restored to original condition, was a rare Master prototype from the early 1980s, with a unique dual downtube design that used later in the Colnago Ti Bi-Tubo used by Tony Rominger to win the Vuelta de Espana a decade later."

Ernesto Colnago's original Gloria bicycle: http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/features/colna g o_pinarello200807/Colnago_Museum1

The Colnago Master Prototype: http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/features/colna g o_pinarello200807/Colnago_Museum2

Innovative dual down tube: http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/features/colna g o_pinarello200807/Colnago_Museum3

Mordecai Silver NYC

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:20:00 -0400 From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com> To: "Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]In defense of Pletscher racks Message-ID: <000801c7ddde$f2076e80$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com Message: 4

Which gets less respect, a kickstand or a Pletscher rack? They're both useful and, when properly mounted, don't damage a bike.

I find the rack indispensable. My two most-frequent riders have them (and several less-frequent riders, too) and I use the wire baskets with a hook that engages the rack and are then held in place by the mousetrap. (I have only seen these for sale in Italy and Switzerland, but it was cheap to stock up when I was in the neighborhood.) The basket is about the same size as a grocery store basket; it holds more than a big bag of groceries and can be carried in and out of the store. The rack itself can carry panniers, your jacket when you warm up, a U-lock, newspaper,...and it mounts a taillight or reflector. The much-vaunted Blackburn rack does only the first of those, as far as I can tell. (Unless you add bungee cords, straps, or other accessories) Attendees at Larz Anderson might have seen my Schwinn, with the basket loaded up with junk. I thought that was at least as American as the loaf of bread and jug of wine aboard one of the beautiful French bikes.

See the standard rack at http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/beandk/racks/

and, if you need one to carry a heavier load, see http://www.pletscher.ch

David Bean Arlington, MA beandk at are-see-enn dot com ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:26:14 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Gloria Was:Bikes in the Colnago Museum Message-ID: <1E316A62-0532-4A07-AC6F-A1758F7C7D42@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D8171A@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> References: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D81718@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D8171A@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Silver, Mordecai wrote:
> Ernesto Colnago's original Gloria bicycle: <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/features/ colnago_pinarello200807/Colnago_Museum1.jpg>

Mama mia! that bike would be worth a lot, but what was he thinking with that tape job? Could that possibly be "correct"?!

Opinions?

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA USA http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:06:48 -0400 From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Not so shameless plug Message-ID: <s6c081b0.080@gw15.hofstra.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Sorry the pics of the bikes were not accessible. there are now a couple of pics that everyone can access at the bottom of the page. Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY, USA
>>> "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> 08/13/07 1:41 PM >>> I just wanted to make the list aware of a pair of Sachs bikes that Richie brought to Larz on Sunday. He brought them to sell for the couple for whom they were made back in 1980. What was very cool about was, if you can believe it, they were full out touring bikes complete with all the eyelets for fenders and brazons for racks. I didn't know Richie did such things and I think these are somewhat rare. Anyway they were very nicely done up with TA cranks, etc. They are for sale and I am including a link if anyone is interested in specifics. They are 50cm and 54cm. Seems to me it would be great if they stayed a pair after all these years but, divorce rates being what they are...... BTW I have no financial interest in this. (Do I get to go to the front of the build now list Richie?) Here is the link to a description and pics.

http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?showtopic=4802

Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY, USA _______________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:24:19 -0700 From: "Dan Rogers" <drogers@modernmind.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Stuff - some free Message-ID: <000301c7dde7$ee419dd0$6501a8c0@ModernMind> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Hello all - a quick intro - I have been receiving the CR list for quite some time but have not actively gotten into the discussion - for me it has been a great learning experience. My name is Dan Rogers and I live on Bainbridge Island (a quick ferry ride from Seattle) and I have a garage full of old/vintage road and MTB rigs that I ride as often as time allows. I am 47 and rode rather much from about 76-85, worked at the High Wheeler Bike Shop in Boulder for some time, but did not keep up with it. I started riding again in 1994 and love old steel road bikes from the era I am most familiar with. Off topic, but I also ride "old" late '70's-85 rigid MT bikes. My earlier bikes were a Freschi Criterium (which I wish I had not sold!) and an early Trek 770 (which I wish I had not sold!).

As I now have 17 bikes and cannot open the garage door, I really need to give some of this away, so I suspect that as I get through everything I will be regularly posting. Nothing NOS here - I ride the bikes so these things are used. Please contact me off-list at drogers@modernmind.com if any of this is of interest. I will have clothing, shoes, bikes and parts - anything I got free will be yours likewise.

First is FREE to a good home - a Campy old winged logo high flange 36-hole hub laced to a 27x1.25 Araya rim, Maillard Atom 70 5-speed freewheel - no clue on threading but if you want it let me know (should be about $20 shipping in the USA, or if you like I can remove the FW and hub and mail them without the rim). Never rode this one so cannot speak to condition - the hub spins fine. Incl straight lever skewer (a bit rough).

Second, a VG+ pair of Sidi Titanium quill cleat shoes - size 46 - they will actually fit an American sized foot! They fit exactly like my modern 46 sidi's as a point of comparison. These are leather soles with the ti cleat plate, full laces and not separate insole. I am not an expert but I think these came from the late '70's. Near new with modest wear on the soles, heel pads were added when they were new and it has saved the sole. Cleats are white NOS and also in great shape. These were my club and century ride shoes and are in great shape. $70 plus shipping - will ship worldwide for postage only.

As I get to them I will have 3 road bikes to sell (all 55-56cm) - an early '80's colnago super (fair condition - regular daily rider some years ago, complete bike all SR), a 1972 Negri (all original NR, 2 sets of wheels clincher and tubulars - great shape), and a Raleigh international frame set.

Thanks all - and many thanks for all the dialog and great information!

Dan Rogers

Bainbridge Island, WA

drogers@modernmind.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:31:18 +0000 From: Robb Rasmussen <okmain@hotmail.com> To: Howard Darr <hdarr@localnet.com>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Listees Bike shop pictures Message-ID: <BAY141-W279B22D6E7C3693A985C92C0DC0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Howard and others interested.

go to this link to see pictures of our store.

http://501main.com/page.cfm?PageID=292

including remodeling pics from 2004, when we added a coffee shop. For pictures of our Breast Cancer Awareness ride last October:

http://501main.com/page.cfm?PageID=371

and scroll down to see our building over the years when it was JC Penney in 1927 thru 1979.

http://501main.com/page.cfm?pageID=32

My obsession with bikes started early, and I have worked full time in bikes shops since 1973.

Robb Rasmussen Sioux River Bicycles & Fitness 501 Main ave Brookings, SD 57006 http://www.501main.com

> From: hdarr@localnet.com> To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com; curmudgeon1957 @yahoo.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:52:56 -0400> Subject: [CR]Listees Bike shop pictures> > Ok its like this. I was looking at the "not all bikes go to heavenpictures > and was just as intere sted in the background.> > I have worked in a bike shop off and on since I was 14 or so.> > Even now with a day job I still do.> > I want to see pictu res of the shop. But what about other listees that are > shop owners. Could you post a few?> > Come on don't be shy.> > Howard Darr> Clymer PA USA > > _______________________________________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/list info/classicrendezvous _________________________________________________________________ Learn. Laugh. Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:35:11 -0700 From: "Tam Pham" <terminaut@gmail.com> To: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Gloria Was:Bikes in the Colnago Museum Message-ID: <b27bc5c00708131335q65edb8f6m12528bb4f55ac16a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1E316A62-0532-4A07-AC6F-A1758F7C7D42@earthlink.net> References: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D81718@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D8171A@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> <1E316A62-0532-4A07-AC6F-A1758F7C7D42@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

That Gloria was previously covered on the list.

Steven Maasland says the bike was given to Ernesto by a local cyclist... so it's conceivable that it's not a tape job done by Ernesto but rather that's the way the bike came into his possession.

Tam Pham Huntington Beach, CA - USA

On 8/13/07, Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>
> On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Silver, Mordecai wrote:
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> > Ernesto Colnago's original Gloria bicycle:
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/features/
> colnago_pinarello200807/Colnago_Museum1.jpg>
>
> Mama mia! that bike would be worth a lot, but what was he thinking
> with that tape job? Could that possibly be "correct"?!
>
> Opinions?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:40:23 -0400 From: dima <dima@rogers.com> To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> Cc: Rich Rhodes <richlanguageelk@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re[2]: [CR]Intro, TTT? Message-ID: <1055530758.20070813164023@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <78131.56104.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38a4de10708130721o4542559h150083dcba4b1baa@mail.gmail.com> <78131.56104.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: dima <dima@rogers.com> Message: 10

Hi,

FWIW, Velo Orange lists a Stronglight crank puller for $45:

http://www.velo-orange.com/jast23stcrpu.html

-- Cheers, Dmitry Yaitskov, Toronto, Canada.

Monday, August 13, 2007, 11:19:02 AM, Jerry Moos wrote:
> Rich, TTT made bars and stems (still does). You are thinking of TA
> cranks. However the crank in the photo is a Stronglight model 93.
> Both TA and Stronglight were French, but completely different
> companies. The Stronglight 93 was the most common cran
> k on high end French bikes in the early and mid 70's. They are
> available quite frequently on eBay, usually at reasonable prices, so
> you shouldn't have any problem buying one. There are two things to be
> aware of though. Stronglight axles had a differe
> nt taper from Campy and its clones, so you will probably need a BB
> compatible with Stronglight. Also, Stronglight 93 used a different
> crank extractot thread than the now-standard Campy thread, so you'll
> need a Stronglight crank extractor. Both the Str
> onglight BB and the Stronglight extractor are less common than the cranks themselves.
>
> Besides Stronglight axles, Stronglight cranks will work with TA
> axles, or Phil Wood if you get the right Phil Wood model. The lowest
> cost option may be JIS standard Japanese axles used on mid-priced
> Japanese cranks in the 70's and early 80's. Some o
> f the shop owners on the list probably still have the JIS axles.
>
> As to the extractor, they show up on eBay from time to time. But
> Stein Tools makes a nice, though not cheap, Stronglight extractor
> which I think you can buy at Bike Tools Etc. on the web. Note that
> old TA cranks also used a different extractor than
> Campy. It was very close to the Stronglight thread, but not
> identical. The old Park extractors were reversible, with Campy thread
> on one end and TA on the other. Do not try to use a TA extractor or
> the TA end of an old Park extractor, on a Strongligh
> t crank. It will thread in, and sometimes it will work, but if the
> crank is stubborn, it will sometimes strip the crank threads.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
> <snip>

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:54:10 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: "CR" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Gloria Was:Bikes in the Colnago Museum Message-ID: <00b401c7ddec$19a2aba0$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/features/colnago_pinarello200 807/Colnago_Museum1.jpg

Cannot possibly have been Ernesto's personal bike. Firstly, it is way too big for him. Secondly, I just happened to be in Cambiago shortly after he received it as a gift from a local cyclist. It is however in much better shape now than it was when he received it, so it has undergone some personal attention.

The plastic tape is not necessarily that far wrong, as it was available in the 50's (perhaps earlier?).

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: dima <dima@rogers.com> Cc: Rich Rhodes <richlanguageelk@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: [CR]Intro, TTT? Message-ID: <602976.60477.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1055530758.20070813164023@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Like I said, a nice tool, but not cheap. Cheaper than stripping the crank threads, though. In The Day an LBS would have a box full of Stronglight extractors at something like $5 apiece. The Stein tool is much nicer than the old original Stronglight ones. Except they were kind of cool, with a 16mm socket that was used to turn the crank extractor, but which could also be used to remove the old 16mm Stronglight crank bolts.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

dima <dima@rogers.com> wrote: Hi,

FWIW, Velo Orange lists a Stronglight crank puller for $45:

http://www.velo-orange.com/jast23stcrpu.html

-- Cheers, Dmitry Yaitskov, Toronto, Canada.

Monday, August 13, 2007, 11:19:02 AM, Jerry Moos wrote:
> Rich, TTT made bars and stems (still does). You are thinking of TA
> cranks. However the crank in the photo is a Stronglight model 93.
> Both TA and Stronglight were French, but completely different
> companies. The Stronglight 93 was the most common cran
> k on high end French bikes in the early and mid 70's. They are
> available quite frequently on eBay, usually at reasonable prices, so
> you shouldn't have any problem buying one. There are two things to be
> aware of though. Stronglight axles had a differe
> nt taper from Campy and its clones, so you will probably need a BB
> compatible with Stronglight. Also, Stronglight 93 used a different
> crank extractot thread than the now-standard Campy thread, so you'll
> need a Stronglight crank extractor. Both the Str
> onglight BB and the Stronglight extractor are less common than the cranks themselves.
>
> Besides Stronglight axles, Stronglight cranks will work with TA
> axles, or Phil Wood if you get the right Phil Wood model. The lowest
> cost option may be JIS standard Japanese axles used on mid-priced
> Japanese cranks in the 70's and early 80's. Some o
> f the shop owners on the list probably still have the JIS axles.
>
> As to the extractor, they show up on eBay from time to time. But
> Stein Tools makes a nice, though not cheap, Stronglight extractor
> which I think you can buy at Bike Tools Etc. on the web. Note that
> old TA cranks also used a different extractor than
> Campy. It was very close to the Stronglight thread, but not
> identical. The old Park extractors were reversible, with Campy thread
> on one end and TA on the other. Do not try to use a TA extractor or
> the TA end of an old Park extractor, on a Strongligh
> t crank. It will thread in, and sometimes it will work, but if the
> crank is stubborn, it will sometimes strip the crank threads.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:44:07 -0700 From: <cgallegro@charter.net> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Wheels for sale Message-ID: <902373241.1187041447518.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

Hello All,

Some wheels for sale:

A set of Campagnolo 36 hole high flange 1970ish ( no quick releases) laced with DT stainless to Super Champion Competition "Gentleman" rims includes tires and tubes good shape, very minor wobble on rear rim, easy to true. 100.00

1970ish Front campagnolo 36 hole small flange(no QR) laced with DT stainless to a Rigida 700X 23c rim (tire and tube included OK shape) straight and true. 50.00

Last a Campagnolo 1970ish front high flange hub (no QR) laced with DT stainless to a Mavic G40 heat treated rim 27X1/14 " rim (tire and tube included OK shape) 50.00

Shipping at cost to where you live from my zip 93405.

Regards Craig Griffith San Luis Obispo, Ca. USA

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:46:06 GMT From: "Steven M. Johnson" <grisha2@juno.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]In defense of Pletscher racks Message-ID: <20070813.164606.7763.0@webmail45.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Here is a Pletscher with honest to gosh British Standard lantern bracket .

http://webpages.charter.net/steve.johnson1/kal.htm

Steven Johnson, St. Louis, MO