Re: [CR]Colnago Frame Dating, Version III

(Example: Humor)

In-Reply-To: <71A3F784-1156-487B-9510-EB1DA36166B4@comcast.net>
References: <3E4A1C7A-67D7-4EBC-AE94-9595A70AFF64@earthlink.net> <a06240847c30ba3c49d52@[192.168.2.3]> <A3ACDE92-0104-4D62-B33F-D37A2971C45D@earthlink.net>
From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Colnago Frame Dating, Version III
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:14:21 -0700
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>


Hi Rodney,

- frame has definitely been repainted (missing wreath decal?) - single club cutout in lower headtube lug (1974, some say 1973 and later) - Club/Colnago decal on headtube (1972 and later) - Has water bottle braze-ons (1973 and later) - Fork crown w/ clubs - no holes on sides (1973 and later) - seat tube has straight world bands ('73 frame would have them) - no braze-ons for shifters (earlier than 1974) - no fork tangs (?)

I'd guess more like a 1973 Super than a 1972... only my opinion of course.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA USA

On Sep 10, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Rodney Kugizaki wrote:
> Have come into possession of the frame in these photos
>
> http://www.ritzelrechner.de/HomepageClassic01/mybikes.html
>
> Seems to be a bit different than what is described below:
> - identified as a 1972 - but may easily be 1973 or 1974
> - single club cutout in lower headtube lug (1974?)
> - Club/Colnago decal on headtube
> - Has water bottle braze-ons (1973)
> - Fork crown w/ clubs - (I think) no holes on sides - not sure what
> 'holes' are
> - seat tube has straight world bands
> - frame may have been repainted at some time, but not too sure
> - no braze-ons for shifters
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Rodney Kugizaki
> Oro Valley, AZ, USA
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan, I like photos and how and why are you almost certain it is
>> a '72 Super?
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt
>> South Pasadena, CA
>> USA
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:51 PM, DB wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am lucky enough to have what I am almost certain is a 1972 Super.
>>> It differs from Version III below in that it has 3 holes in each
>>> fork tang, not 2, clover cutouts on all 3 lugs, and a small
>>> circle cutout on the bottom part of the seat tube lug, below the
>>> top tube.
>>> It is a 58cm, and I will email pics/measurements to anyone
>>> interested.
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA
>>>
>>> At 3:28 PM -0700 9/10/07, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>>> Thanks to all of you that have responded (four so far).
>>>>
>>>> Need input on the following:
>>>> -- Last year for club cutouts in all three lugs (changed to
>>>> single club cutout in lower head lug)
>>>> -- Plus anything else that's questionable... (thanks to those of
>>>> you that have responded)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =================================
>>>> Colnago Frame Dating, Version III
>>>> =================================
>>>>
>>>> 1969 and earlier?
>>>> 1969 -- Playing card decal graphics
>>>> 1969 -- Fork crown (sand cast) with two holes in each side
>>>> 1969 -- Fork tangs wide, no cutouts
>>>> 1969 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs
>>>> 1969 -- Bottom bracket shell with drilled holes in circular pattern
>>>> ----
>>>> 1970 -- Fork crown (investment cast semi-sloping) with two holes
>>>> in each side
>>>> 1970 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs but club in lower head
>>>> lug is now larger
>>>> 1970 -- Bottom bracket shell with club cutout
>>>> ----
>>>> 1971 -- Fork tangs narrow, no cutouts
>>>> ----
>>>> 1972 -- Club/COLNAGO decal on head tube/seat tube (seat tube
>>>> Worlds bands) and COLNAGO on down tube
>>>> 1972 -- Fork crown with clubs in top and two holes in each side
>>>> 1972 -- Fork tangs with two holes
>>>> ----
>>>> 1973 -- Wreath seat tube decal with two Worlds bands
>>>> 1973 -- Fork crown with clubs on top but no holes in each side
>>>> 1973 -- Water bottle braze-ons on downtube
>>>> ----
>>>> 1974 -- Fork tangs with club cutouts
>>>> 1974 -- Club cutout in lower head lug only
>>>> 1974 -- Shifter braze-ons on down tube
>>>> ----
>>>> 1975 -- Vertical COLNAGO seat tube decal with diagonal worlds
>>>> stripes
>>>> ----
>>>> 1976 -- Fork crown with COLNAGO added to clubs on top
>>>> 1976 -- Short Campagnolo dropouts
>>>> ----
>>>> 1977 -- Top tube cable guide braze-ons
>>>> ----
>>>> 1979 -- Fork crown for recessed brake bolt with shallow
>>>> triangles cut into back
>>>> 1979 -- Brake bridge for recessed brake bolt
>>>> ----
>>>> 1980 -- Short COLNAGO drop-outs and COLNAGO fork ends
>>>> 1980 -- Fluted seat stay caps engraved COLNAGO and straight seat
>>>> stays, no longer biconical
>>>> 1980 -- Brake bridge with cast square boss for recessed brake bolt
>>>> ----
>>>> 1981 -- Chain stay bridge is small spool shape, no longer tube
>>>> ----
>>>> 1982 -- Chain stays stamped COLNAGO on sides
>>>> 1982 -- Cable routing on underside of bottom bracket
>>>> ----
>>>> 1983 -- Aerodynamic fork crown
>>>>
>>>> NOTE:
>>>> Year dates are approximate; changes might have occurred the end
>>>> of one year or the beginning of the next for example. Paint
>>>> schemes, panels, decals and chrome varied according to how
>>>> importers spec'd their frames, so this all varied considerable.
>>>> Dates and details based on the Classic Rendezvous archives, the
>>>> Wool Jersey Gallery, and Colnago and Bikcology catalogs.
>>>>
>>>> ALL CORRECTIONS WELCOMED AND ENCOURAGED!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Schmidt
>>>> South Pasadena, CA USA
>>>> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)