Re: [CR]Notes from Listmeister: Wool jerseys, CR e-list basics, etc.

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From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Notes from Listmeister: Wool jerseys, CR e-list basics, etc.
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:12:21 -0700
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So, answer offlist.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
To: Chuck Schmidt


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Notes from Listmeister: Wool jerseys, CR e-list basics, etc.


>I don't always agree with Chuck, but this time I have to. A thread that
>gets into a fairly detailed technical discussion, or various pros and cons
>of some bike or component versus alternatives will often be brought to an
>abrupt end in the middle of the discussion if one participant with the most
>knowledge reaches a rigidly enforced 3 post limit. It's like trying to
>write a resume of two paragraphs or less. It may be concise, but it will
>also be shallow.
> I agree this policy will discourage debates where the participants
> endlessly restate their positions, but it will also make it virtually
> impossible for someone with detailed knowledge of a topic to share his
> knowledge with the rest of us.
>
> There are few things I hate more than beginning a discussion that cannot
> be followed to a logical conclusion, so I'll probably just refrain from a
> lot of threads altogether, even if I might have had some information
> someone is requesting. I've already seen too many instances where someone
> asked a question that I knew full well several dozen CR members could
> answer, but no one did. In addition to the usual reasons for not
> answering, we will now add, "Sorry Jack, I'm at my 3 post limit, so you're
> on your own." I guess one could wait 24 hours, then say, "In answer to
> your question yesterday..." But I won't, I'll just say to hell with it,
> he'll have to figure it out himself.
>
> Dale's list, Dale's rules, but some work better than others. I'm afraid
> this one isn't going to work very well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
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> Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Dale Brown wrote:
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>> So, starting with tomorrow, Sept 13, I am beginning a "week long
>> suspension of membership" to be issued to violators of the 3
>> message-per-day limit. If someone suddenly goes silent, you might
>> guess that they "had to go to the principals office" and maybe got
>> suspended. Funny to use that high school terminology, but honestly,
>> sometimes I feel it applies to some of the Internet behavior I
>> witness. Luckily it is not nearly bad here compared to other forums...
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>
> Dale,
>
> In the past I've always responded on the list because I have always
> felt that in doing so, everyone could participate in the discussion
> and learn something that way. Discussions taken off the CR list
> don't further anyone's knowledge except of course the two
> participating in the off list discussion. And then there's the large
> group of list members who like to listen in to the "conversation" but
> are too shy to actually participate.
>
> Pretty much on a daily basis I've responded to discussions on topics
> that I've been asked to answer that have obviously stretched beyond
> three posts in one day due to lively discussion. For the future I've
> decided it's probably best to take all the discussion on my part off
> list as it obviously conflicts with your three post a day limit as is
> your wish. I'll still be responding to CR list members but it will
> just be off list in the future and I'll still be posting ride
> announcements and Velo Rendezvous announcements of course.
>
> Maybe the off list e-RICHIE-style forum between friends is the way to
> go in the future.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
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> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)