Anyone else try to "Anglophi" a Swiss BB? I was working on a 70s Gitane sport bike and noticed it had Swiss 35x1 BB threading. 35x1 is also a French thread. So, the adjustable cups are interchangable. They differ on the Fixed cup side. French is RH threaded, while Swiss is LH threaded. I tried a BSC cup on the fixed cup side. It stopped after about 2 times around the BB.
Since it was a cheap frame and I had no Swiss cups, I decided to tap both sides to British. The Franco Swiss Gitane, now has British Cups and they seem to be a perfect fit. Long live the British Empire! Scott in colonial USA Roseville, MN http://www.sdbicyclegarage.com
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Today's Topics:
1. tubular Glue (Marty Eison) 2. RE: tubular Glue (Mazzeo, Daniel) 3. Re: WTB 3M Fas Tac for rim cement (John Betmanis) 4. Nervex accessories 5. Re: Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties - SOLVED! 6. musings on rare bike stuff 7. More Musings on Rare Bike Stuff 8. RE: musings on rare bike stuff (Leonard Diamond) 9. RE: musings on rare bike stuff (Cheung, Doland) 10. Re: musings on rare bike stuff - and trades wanted (Ken Sanford) 11. Re: Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 12. Soliciting help from Ideale saddle experts. (Tam Pham) 13. ICS Friction Shifters (Glenn Benveniste) 14. tubular glue instructions (Grant McLean)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:01:55 -0600 From: "Marty Eison" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]tubular Glue Message-ID: <7d49b7530701241201h11e55155gf34d98634ebc3d64@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
I'd pass on the Fas Tack based on 3Ms changing the formulas. I like Panaracer clear tubular glue, I believe it's the same as the Soyo cement favoured by Keirin riders in Japan. It's also used alot locally.
Marty Eison Frisco, Texas
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:15:08 -0700 From: "Mazzeo, Daniel" To: Subject: RE: [CR]tubular Glue Message-ID: <7119BB016BDF6445B20A4B9F14F50B2D016B414B@WILSON.usap.gov> In-Reply-To: <7d49b7530701241201h11e55155gf34d98634ebc3d64@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d49b7530701241201h11e55155gf34d98634ebc3d64@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
Yes, I think you Gents are correct. The Fas Tack is not the same glue it was 20 years ago. Probably has something to do with mandates to lower VOC emissions. Dan Mazzeo Morrison, CO
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Marty Eison Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:02 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]tubular Glue
I'd pass on the Fas Tack based on 3Ms changing the formulas. I like Panaracer clear tubular glue, I believe it's the same as the Soyo cement favoured by Keirin riders in Japan. It's also used alot locally.
Marty Eison Frisco, Texas
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:19:50 -0500 From: John Betmanis To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS Subject: Re: [CR]WTB 3M Fas Tac for rim cement Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20070124151950.00e96268@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <45B77EBE.5020809@earthlink.net> References: <7119BB016BDF6445B20A4B9F14F50B2D016B412F@WILSON.usap.gov>
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At 10:43 AM 24/01/2007 -0500, Eric Goforth wrote:
>As far as the 3M stuff goes, you want 08031, they also make an 08001.
>I've used it before, when Pep Boys was out of 08031 and I needed to
>mount a tire so I could ride the next day. I don't know if I would
>trust it as much as 08031 though. It was during the winter so I was
>commuting and doing long rides, not criteriums.
>
>Like I said someone tested a bunch of rim cements though and Vittoria
>Mastik One was better than Fast Tack. It was a stronger adhesive and it
>reached it cured faster than Fast Tack.
Here are the tests: http://www.engr.ku.edu/
I can't remember for sure, but I think the formulation of this cement has changed from the original, which could be a reason it's no longer popular or recommended. Something about the solvents migrating to the base tape adhesive and loosening it. Probably something about it in the archive.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:41:10 EST From: Stronglight49@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Nervex accessories Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Just browsing through an old 1958 Nervex catalogue I was reminded how this famous manufacturer made a vast assortment of bike and moped parts and even some surprising accessories in addition to their beloved "Professional" lugset.
See scan of the cover and one interesting page here:
http://pictures.aol.com/
[The full 61 page catalogue is available from Chuck Schmidt - and worth every penny.]
Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:45:39 EST From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: smwillis@verizon.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties - SOLVED! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Thanks to Steven, John, Marcus, and Lou for their input. We have solved the problem here.
Tried the French cup, and failed, as expected. Then we realized that I have right here, another Torpado (mid range) that I believe to be from very late 1986, or even from the end of the end at Torpado, who closed the doors I think in early 1987. We pulled the crank on this other bike to reveal markings on the bottom bracket cup: 34.8x24!!! Never seen that before, but this is Italian (Metric) for "English threads". We broke loose the fixed cup, and sure enough it's left, or English threaded. So, we grabbed a Campy English fixed cup, and gave it a shot on the Superlight, and sure enough it's left, or English threaded! Now I'm not sure how I came to the conclusion late last night that the fixed was right threaded, but I know I checked it a couple of times!!! Obviously, I was too long working on the bike, and up too late at night.
So, the answer, is that some if not all Torpados, began to have English threaded bottom bracket shells near the end of the line for them, and as early as 1986. Thanks for all the help!
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA ~ ~ ~
In a message dated 1/24/2007 2:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, smwillis@verizon.net writes: My guess is you have a British threaded shell. I just check my old memory banks and you can drop a British threaded cup right through the bb shell on an Italian frame. It slides right in. It may be French but My bet would be on British. I have also seen screw ups were people have tapped frames the wrong way around take a look for any damage and good luck with it. Steven Willis The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com
> Italian bottom bracket shell conundrum:
>
> Subject is a 1986 Torpado Superlight frameset, being built up with a
> mostly
> mid 1980s Super Record gruppo. The selected cranks and bottom bracket
> however, are Ofmega brand that are Campy Record clone-ish (very similar,
> but not the
> same). The bottom bracket cups are clearly marked 36 x 24, for Italian
> threads, which means that both sides are "right" threaded. The frame is
> used, but
> well cleaned and in very good condition, seemingly with original paint
> that
> matches remnants visible inside the bottom bracket shell. This same paint
> is
> still on the b.b. shell faces ... the contact points for the cup flange or
> lockring, and where it has flaked, chrome plate can be seen underneath,
> still ON the
> face.
> The cups will not quite fit inside the shell opening, although the
> difference seems VERY close. An English threaded Campy adjustable cup was
> tried on
> the non-drive side as a test, and it thread in several turns before
> binding.
> This same piece also threads into the drive side, in exactly the same
> partial
> manner, before binding. I did not use a tool to force it in either side
> any
> further, for fear of doing damage. The bottom bracket is Cinelli, as it
> is cast
> with CINELLI underneath. All Torpado b.b. shells I've seen have been
> Italian
> threaded, but the width on this one is not the expected 70mm ... it is
> 68.5mm! I noted by comparison that the outer diameter of English cups is
> slightly
> smaller than that of Italian cups. My thinking is that an English shell
> can be
> tapped "out" to Italian, since Italian is a larger OD, but that there is
> no
> meat, just air, where one would attempt convert Italian to English. Is
> this
> true?
> If the paint and chrome on the face of the b.b. shell are original, then
> it seems to me that it could not have been turned down to the narrow
> width,
> after-market ... it must be from the factory. I am about to perform a
> test with
> French threaded cups, which seems crazy, but we know that anything can
> happen.
> I submit this conundrum to the List for suggestions of a solution ....
> HELP PLEASE!
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI USA
> ~ ~ ~
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:03:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff Message-ID: <28042945.1169672616912.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com Message: 6
Gene Balk noted in a recent post that he was selling a pair of Campagnolo con denti track pedals.
I was about to e-mail him privately to suggest that he cancel the auction and keep the pedals, then I thought that that was a rather presumptuous thing to do...and then the auction brought up a more general notion that I wish I'd been aware of when I got back into old bikes in the mid-1990s.
When you have a bit that's rare, and you know it's rare, and you have only one of them...or maybe even two...it's probably smart to just keep them.
Because, inevitably, sure as the sun rises in the East, you're going to need that very rare bit someday, and you're going to wish you had it.
And keeping such things, even if you don't have a use for it right away, is almost never bad from a financial point-of-view. Extremely rare and desired items like con denti pedals will just keep going up in value. The longer you hold them, the more they're worth.
Now, if a person needs the money, for whatever reason, far be it from me to say they shouldn't sell something.
But I can't tell you how many times, until the last couple of years, anyway, that I have sold some very rare bits, and regretted it later. More than a few times. And I probably never really *needed* the money, except in the cases of a couple of very valuable bikes that I don't regret selling. The money came in handy, and I don't miss them.
But, in general, when it comes to things like con denti pedals..I'd keep such beasts until I knew I was leaving the vintage bike biz completely.
For all the people here who may be looking at some very rare bit and wondering if they should sell it..I say, think VERY hard about it...and then keep it. Because, more likely than not, you'll regret selling it.
one hard-won plugged nickle from..
Charles (I've been thinking of selling a first-gen campagnolo crankset for months now...but I think I'm going to keep it, for exactly the reasons noted above) Andrews SoCal ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:23:25 +0000 (GMT) From: gholl@optonline.net To: Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR]More Musings on Rare Bike Stuff Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 7
Part of the tension in collecting most anything is when or where to buy or sell. Generally, at some time during their collecting lives, most collectors become dealers at some level. Most collections only last for 20 or 30 years in any event. Some people are very retentive of everything, even to the point of using few words when speaking. Others don't develop such a personal attachment to things. The usual trend in collecting is to become more focused over a period of time and that frequently causes collectors to sell or trade. I think this is a very good thing, since otherwise a collection of anything would be very hard to assemble. You can't collect what's not around! Some people become so involved in a hobby that they become dealers. I think this is great since such individuals, if they're ethical, can guide and help new collectors and fine very rare things for the more experienced. With the advent of the Internet, collecting has changed greatly-CR is just a small example of this. I think that without the net, and eBay in particular, collecting vintage bikes/parts would be much more difficult. Of course, like many changes, good is accompanied by problems. I sometimes also lament having sold things I have in various collections-but then I just begin to dream of the new things I'm going to acquire! George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:25:23 -0500 From: "Leonard Diamond" To: , Subject: RE: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff Message-ID: <001001c73ffe$2cc5c4b0$2f01a8c0@Office1> In-Reply-To: <28042945.1169672616912.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
I don't know that I agree that the price of "rare" vintage bikes & parts will always go up. People tend to collect the things they wanted but couldn't afford, or had when they were younger. Hence the average age on the list and the popularity of NR/SR era stuff. I have wondered if the prices would suffer as we baby boomers croak. There will always be a collecting audience but how much smaller will it be? Remember the indexed shifting/brifter stuff that is OT to us will be vintage to some later generation. Maybe I should stock up on some NOS carbon fiber frames now since they probably won't age as well as steel frames!
An analogous area might be car collecting. I believe that 60's muscle cars are now popular and prices have risen. I wonder what has happened to prices of pre WW2 and 1950's cars?
Len Diamond Ridgewood, NJ USA
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:50:49 -0600 From: "Cheung, Doland" To: Subject: RE: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28042945.1169672616912.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9
As an addendum to Charles' philosophy (which I agree with), I constantly struggle with what do you do if you come across:
- that rare bit that is neither expensive nor inexpensive, - that you could need in the future but don't need immediately, and - that you could easily sell if you don't need it.
Do you sink the money into it?
Case-in-point #1: Those Simplex lever-FDs are kinda nifty and I'd like to have a nice one, should I ever get an appropriate bike. But I don't' have that bike now. A few years ago, the FDs were inexpensive and not too rare, so I never bought one. Now they are much harder to find and seem to be going for much more than before. If I had that appropriate bike now, I'd be kicking myself for not getting the FD a few years ago.
Doland Cheung SoCal "Hoping to find that nifty '50s bike in my size" "Praying I don't buy that nifty '50s bike in my size that will cost an arm-and-leg to suit my tastes"
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of chasds@mindspring.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:04 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff
Gene Balk noted in a recent post that he was selling a pair of Campagnolo con denti track pedals.
I was about to e-mail him privately to suggest that he cancel the auction and keep the pedals, then I thought that that was a rather presumptuous thing to do...and then the auction brought up a more general notion that I wish I'd been aware of when I got back into old bikes in the mid-1990s.
When you have a bit that's rare, and you know it's rare, and you have only one of them...or maybe even two...it's probably smart to just keep them.
Because, inevitably, sure as the sun rises in the East, you're going to need that very rare bit someday, and you're going to wish you had it.
And keeping such things, even if you don't have a use for it right away, is almost never bad from a financial point-of-view. Extremely rare and desired items like con denti pedals will just keep going up in value. The longer you hold them, the more they're worth.
Now, if a person needs the money, for whatever reason, far be it from me to say they shouldn't sell something.
But I can't tell you how many times, until the last couple of years, anyway, that I have sold some very rare bits, and regretted it later. More than a few times. And I probably never really *needed* the money, except in the cases of a couple of very valuable bikes that I don't regret selling. The money came in handy, and I don't miss them.
But, in general, when it comes to things like con denti pedals..I'd keep such beasts until I knew I was leaving the vintage bike biz completely.
For all the people here who may be looking at some very rare bit and wondering if they should sell it..I say, think VERY hard about it...and then keep it. Because, more likely than not, you'll regret selling it.
one hard-won plugged nickle from..
Charles (I've been thinking of selling a first-gen campagnolo crankset for months now...but I think I'm going to keep it, for exactly the reasons noted above) Andrews SoCal _______________________________________________
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