Hi All, I shall shortly be listing various types of MAVIC sew-up/sprint/tubular RIMS . Types will include MONTHLERY PRO , MONTHLERY ROUTE, LEGGERE, PISTE , SPORT , and ARGENT 10. Drillings in 32 32 holes and 36 36 holes. Priced at 31.50 GBP per pair. Airmail approx 7-10 working days....1 Pair 31.50 GBP 4 Pairs 49.50 GBP Any interest prior to listing -please contact off list to CANTIFLEX@BTINTERN ET.COM
Thanks for looking Ray Etherton Chelmsford, Essex, UK.
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1. Re: Medici serial number & touch up paint & fork crown question (brianbaylis@juno.com) 2. Ebay Outing: Campy Con Denti Track pedals (gene) 3. Re: Medici fork crown question 4. More items for sale--cranks and stems! (c. andrews) 5. 1983 Bianchi Columbus tubing, 58cm (michael hall) 6. Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties 7. Re: Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties (jjandkk) 8. FS: Nervex Pro Lug Set with a grain of salt (Toni Theilmeier) 9. Re: Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties (Steven Willis)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:47:59 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: coelho1970@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Medici serial number & touch up paint & fork crown question Message-ID: <20070124.084807.7171.169416@webmail45.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
Dana,
Ah ha! That would explain the sloping crown. A later "aero" version of the Pro-Strada. I know what you're talking about, but I've never had one around to look at. Thanks for the info. I would like a few photos just to see what it looks like. I wonder how many were made that way?
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
david,
i purchased a custom made medici around 1984 with dropped top tube and dual triangle (similar to gt's design). i visited the shop numerous times while it was being made (their then l.a. shop). mine has a sloping crown as it's original fork. i too am interested in the serial #'s, mine are #57 02781. i have pics if you are interested.
hope i helped.
dana h. coelho diamond bar, ca
-----Original Message----- From: whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 7:33 PM Subject: [CR]Medici serial number & touch up paint & fork crown question
Hi,
I just received a Medici Pro Strada I bought. I'm wondering about whether the serial number can help date the frame. I checked the archives and find some discussion about Medici serial numbers in 2001 and again in 2004, but nothing definitive. Does anyone know the serial numbering system they used? My frame is #6502442. Based on the size and the earlier posts, it seems the first two digits are the frame size = 65cm. But what about the rest? Anyone know?
Also, I need touch up paint for it. It's a gold color. Anyone know what gold might match?
Also, this one has a completely sloped fork with no crown. It looks to me as if it's not what would have been used originally, but the paint matches and the seller assured me it is original. Does anyone know whether Medici ever used a completely sloped crown?
Thanks,
David
David G. White
Burlington, VT
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:44:01 -0800 From: gene <genebalk@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay Outing: Campy Con Denti Track pedals Message-ID: <5440a0c40701240944u17e74487u77a67411f3f60213@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
I looked at the list rules and it doesn't appear to be in violation to hawk one's own eBay auction, so here goes!
I decided to sell the pedals off of the Paramount track bike that I recently picked up - here they are:
The item number is: 320075282829
I do feel some hesitation selling them since they are apparently the original pedals, but since they stopped production on those pedals in '69, and the bike is a '71, they aren't exactly "right" either, so I figured I could let them go. Hope I don't regret it!
Gene Balk Seattle, WA
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:52:13 -0500 From: loudeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Medici fork crown question Message-ID: <8C90DF78382EE82-11A4-5964@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20070124.084807.7171.169416@webmail45.lax.untd.com> References: <20070124.084807.7171.169416@webmail45.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
I've seen a number of Medici sloping crown forks. In fact, of the half doz en or so fillet brazed Medici frames I've seen, I believe all of them had slopi ng fork crowns. I've owned several lugged Medici frames too and I don't recall any actually having a totally flat fork crown. All that I can recall had either
semi-sloping like Henry James crowns or Cinelli style. I don't recall any s teel Medici forks with unicrowns though. I have owned a Medici in off-topic meta l that had a unicrown fork, so I know they made them. Lou Deeter, Orlando F L
-----Original Message----- From: brianbaylis@juno.com To: coelho1970@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Medici serial number & touch up paint & fork crown question
Dana,
Ah ha! That would explain the sloping crown. A later "aero" version of the Pro-Strada. I know what you're talking about, but I've never had one around to look at. Thanks for the info. I would like a few photos just to see what it looks like. I wonder how many were made that way?
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
david,
i purchased a custom made medici around 1984 with dropped top tube and dual triangle (similar to gt's design). i visited the shop numerous times while it was being made (their then l.a. shop). mine has a sloping crown as it's original fork. i too am interested in the serial #'s, mine are #57 02781. i have pics if you are interested.
hope i helped.
dana h. coelho diamond bar, ca
-----Original Message----- From: whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 7:33 PM Subject: [CR]Medici serial number & touch up paint & fork crown question
Hi,
I just received a Medici Pro Strada I bought. I'm wondering about whether the serial number can help date the frame. I checked the archives and find some discussion about Medici serial numbers in 2001 and again in 2004, but nothing definitive. Does anyone know the serial numbering system they used? My frame is #6502442. Based on the size and the earlier posts, it seems the first two digits are the frame size = 65cm. But what about the rest? Anyone know?
Also, I need touch up paint for it. It's a gold color. Anyone know what gold might match?
Also, this one has a completely sloped fork with no crown. It looks to me as if it's not what would have been used originally, but the paint matches and the seller assured me it is original. Does anyone know whether Medici ever used a completely sloped crown?
Thanks,
David
David G. White
Burlington, VT
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:49:02 -0800 From: "c. andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]More items for sale--cranks and stems! Message-ID: <004f01c73fe8$51ac7e10$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Simplex derailleur, Windsor bottles and the Sugino Mighty Tour cranks are sold. Thanks!
A few more items. Prices *include* lower-48 shipping by USPS.
1)) Shimano 600 arabesque cranks with self-removing bolts. Complete. *W-cut* rings. 170mm. Rings soiled but good condition. Arms in very good condition. A nice crankset. $40
2) Sugino Mighty Aero crankset. Complete with rings and self-removing crank-bolts. 52/42. 170mm Arms lightly scuffed. Call it lightly used. Rings and ring teeth in excellent condition. This is a very nice, lightly-used crankset, perfect for your early/mid 80s aero project. Or for any high-zoot 80s japanese bike. $50
3) Cinelli stem. 26.4 bar clamp diameter. 120mm extension. Old logo, nutted bar-clamp bolt. Very clean used condition. Quill is lightly marred well below the limit, extension is near-perfect, with small ding around the quill-bolt head, and very light scratching on the center of the bar-clamp area. These old stems with the nutted bolts are getting harder and harder to find. The perfect stem for your late-60s/early-70s italian steed. $75
4) Cinelli stem. 26.4 bar clamp. 120-125mm extension (center of bolt to center of clamp). flying-C logo. recessed allen bar clamp bolt. Quill is moderately marred below the insertion line, small, dark scuffs to the anodizing at 3cm above the insertion line in the usual spot. Otherwise, the extension is near-perfect. Very clean. No scratches on the clamp area. $45
5) Pivo "death" stem. For a french steerer. Bar-clamp appears to be 26mm. Stem has a nice, long quill, 130mm from center of the extension to bottom of quill. Quill bolt and bar-clamp bolt appear original and are perfect. No corrosion, and no wear. Stem is lightly polished and looks much better than the usual of this kind of thing. Hard to find these in this condition.
Known as the death-stem because the extension is hollow. These could last a long time with no problem..they were also known to crack, usually at the bar-clamp, but I doubt they failed without warning. Good to examine yours carefully every now and then. This one looks perfect, with no cracks. Just the thing for that Gitane TdF or Peugeot PX-10 or similar. $35
6) Suntour ARX front derailleur. Clamp-on. Extremely clean used condition. Campagnolo Nuovo Record style with adjuster screws in the outer pivot-arm. Kinda cool. $20
Payment by PayPal only. I ship by USPS priority when possible. I am not the world's fastest shipper, but I am reliable. You will get your item.
Charles Andrews SoCal
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) From: michael hall <f2kracer@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]1983 Bianchi Columbus tubing, 58cm Message-ID: <674870.52003.qm@web53305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODoiBkPFaaH000033ca@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
I'm going to have pics of the frame, fork, stem and big ring up tomorrow afternoon. I'm pretty motivated to sell this frame and I'd rather not got th e ebay route. I'm up for any reasonable offers.
Thanks, Michael
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:53:15 EST From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties Message-ID: <c29.cc297ae.32e9051b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Italian bottom bracket shell conundrum:
Subject is a 1986 Torpado Superlight frameset, being built up with a mostly
mid 1980s Super Record gruppo. The selected cranks and bottom bracket however, are Ofmega brand that are Campy Record clone-ish (very similar, but not the same). The bottom bracket cups are clearly marked 36 x 24, for Italian threads, which means that both sides are "right" threaded. The frame is use d, but well cleaned and in very good condition, seemingly with original paint that matches remnants visible inside the bottom bracket shell. This same paint i s still on the b.b. shell faces ... the contact points for the cup flange or lockring, and where it has flaked, chrome plate can be seen underneath, stil l ON the face. The cups will not quite fit inside the shell opening, although the difference seems VERY close. An English threaded Campy adjustable cup was t ried on the non-drive side as a test, and it thread in several turns before binding.
This same piece also threads into the drive side, in exactly the same partia l manner, before binding. I did not use a tool to force it in either side any
further, for fear of doing damage. The bottom bracket is Cinelli, as it is cast
with CINELLI underneath. All Torpado b.b. shells I've seen have been Italia n threaded, but the width on this one is not the expected 70mm ... it is 68.5mm! I noted by comparison that the outer diameter of English cups is slightly smaller than that of Italian cups. My thinking is that an English shell can be tapped "out" to Italian, since Italian is a larger OD, but that there is no meat, just air, where one would attempt convert Italian to English. Is this
true? If the paint and chrome on the face of the b.b. shell are original, then it seems to me that it could not have been turned down to the narrow width, after-market ... it must be from the factory. I am about to perform a test with
French threaded cups, which seems crazy, but we know that anything can happe n. I submit this conundrum to the List for suggestions of a solution .... HELP PLEASE!
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA ~ ~ ~
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:10:31 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [CR]Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties
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>From your description, I would vote for the Chrome plating and base layer(s
) as
the problem, too much where you do not want it anyway.
I would not be that excited to tap it out with my taps as chrome is tough. T he narrow shell is not that big a surprise, I have seen many cut down, some fro m the factory, on one bike I had I had to face it down to 65+mm just to get a decent amount of land for the cups. The producer had just cranked the heck o ut of the shell during fabrication, deforming it. It was on a Bob Jackson in th e mid 70's and it was unfortunately not an isolated incident.
When you do get cups to fit review the BB face dimensions to centerline, as your chainline may be unique.
John Jorgensen Torrance Ca USA
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:24:30 +0100 From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]FS: Nervex Pro Lug Set with a grain of salt Message-ID: <83BAD284-ABE0-11DB-9031-0050E49E894D@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Precedence: list Message: 8
Two head lugs, seat lug, b/b shell and fork crown as per page 3 of Chuck Schmidt´s catalogue reprint: Mod. 49/162 cuts, fork crown feature cut No. 5 (tangs), for frame design No. 1 (75 deg.).
Buff-coloured cardboard box, slightly dirty. Nervex logo, "Série pour
cadre", and Francolam address printed in red.
I have one set for sale which is flawed in that there is no Nervex transfer/decal stapled to the box, but more importantly someone has ground off the strengthening rib or whatever one might call it off the
barrel of the top steering head lug. Nervex Pro have this typical feature; it looks like a ring round the lug just where one would press
in the headraces. One should be able to braze on a replacement ring to
repair the cosmetics.
All the other parts of the set are perfectly new and untouched.
I am asking 150 US-Dollars shipped to the US, payable in cash in a registered letter _after_ inspection of the lugs because of the damage.
If you think the price too high, please tell me so.
Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany, where my Nervex source has dried up just now that prices are going through the roof.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:31:51 -0500 From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net> To: <FujiFish1@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Italian bottom bracket shell difficulties Message-ID: <00ce01c73fee$4d425e70$2c01a8c0@bike1> References: <c29.cc297ae.32e9051b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
My guess is you have a British threaded shell. I just check my old memory banks and you can drop a British threaded cup right through the bb shell on an Italian frame. It slides right in. It may be French but My bet would be on British. I have also seen screw ups were people have tapped frames the wrong way around take a look for any damage and good luck with it. Steven Willis The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com
> Italian bottom bracket shell conundrum:
>
> Subject is a 1986 Torpado Superlight frameset, being built up with a
> mostly
> mid 1980s Super Record gruppo. The selected cranks and bottom bracket
> however, are Ofmega brand that are Campy Record clone-ish (very similar,
> but not the
> same). The bottom bracket cups are clearly marked 36 x 24, for Italian
> threads, which means that both sides are "right" threaded. The frame is
> used, but
> well cleaned and in very good condition, seemingly with original paint
> that
> matches remnants visible inside the bottom bracket shell. This same paint
> is
> still on the b.b. shell faces ... the contact points for the cup flange or
> lockring, and where it has flaked, chrome plate can be seen underneath,
> still ON the
> face.
> The cups will not quite fit inside the shell opening, although the
> difference seems VERY close. An English threaded Campy adjustable cup was
> tried on
> the non-drive side as a test, and it thread in several turns before
> binding.
> This same piece also threads into the drive side, in exactly the same
> partial
> manner, before binding. I did not use a tool to force it in either side
> any
> further, for fear of doing damage. The bottom bracket is Cinelli, as it
> is cast
> with CINELLI underneath. All Torpado b.b. shells I've seen have been
> Italian
> threaded, but the width on this one is not the expected 70mm ... it is
> 68.5mm! I noted by comparison that the outer diameter of English cups is
> slightly
> smaller than that of Italian cups. My thinking is that an English shell
> can be
> tapped "out" to Italian, since Italian is a larger OD, but that there is
> no
> meat, just air, where one would attempt convert Italian to English. Is
> this
> true?
> If the paint and chrome on the face of the b.b. shell are original, then
> it seems to me that it could not have been turned down to the narrow
> width,
> after-market ... it must be from the factory. I am about to perform a
> test with
> French threaded cups, which seems crazy, but we know that anything can
> happen.
> I submit this conundrum to the List for suggestions of a solution ....
> HELP PLEASE!
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI USA
> ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
>
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