Funds sent by paypal well in advance, multiple stories received, and it has to be at least a year and a half later...items absent and contact non-existent. Read my prior email to the group for any more details.
Like I said. I gave up, time to bike into the new year and enjoy life! not strife.
Walter Skrzypek
Falls Creek, Pa
> sorry for the bummer craig...as a former bicycle shop owner i would say
> that
> there are some basic tenets that apply to all business(men,
> people,women)....be they sellers over the internet or at a bricks and
> mortar operation....when
> i first read the lengthy email the "baron" posted to this site about
> bringing
> a container of parts to america (lots of goodies mentioned) i was
> skeptical of
> what he claimed he woulld be able to do...i think he started off on the
> wrong
> foot... w/ grabbing people to help him load the container deep into the
> night, he himself suffering injury...his description of the "help" sounded
> to me
> that he didn't really know everyone all that well and he was rushing to
> jam
> everything in to meet a deadline. he didn't paint a very organized picture
> of his
> move w/ tons of valuables, many seeming to be bundles of tires but lots of
> small stuff...who knows if everything actually made it into the container,
> and
> maybe those are parts he is scratching his head over now and can't
> deliver...he
> himself could have been a victim of a swindle, discovered long after the
> culprits vanished into the night...BUT, that does not relieve him of his
> obligation
> to be forthright w/ us...of those that have said they have just given up i
> am
> curious....did you place an order, send money, and not receive your
> goods???...or did you place an order, and merely have not received your
> goods??? there
> is a hugh difference between the two that is not being made clear enough
> for
> me to cast this couple to "bicycle hell"....are they old, confused, and
> basicly
> overwhelmed w/ the job they signed up for???...or are they selectively
> ripping people off for 50 bucks here and 50 bucks there???... that i would
> like to
> know so that we can take a chance w/ them or not,#1 based on whether they
> are
> stealing money, or #2 are poor business people who lose email addresses,
> don't
> return email inquieries, but generally would fall into the
> organizationally
> challenged catagory but good meaning...i've had to deal w/ a few stinker
> ebay
> sellers over the years but mostly people want to keep their feedback at or
> near
> 100%....for us i think that if their are those among us that don't treat
> us
> right, they should be identified after going thru channels ( another job
> for
> dale)....personally i like to look at and handle the goods before i lay my
> mostly
> nonexistent cash on the barrel head....or, at least have the right of
> return
> w/ full refund if something arrives thru the post that isn't quite right
> or as
> described.... otherwise why let anyone offer goods to each other at this
> forum....it's one thing for people here to get worked up over frame angles
> and
> what they mean, and quite another to misrepresent sale items, collect
> money
> from one another, and refusal to make good on an item someone wants to
> return for
> refund but can't. either we adhere to basic good business practice w/ one
> another or i say let the buyer beware, tuff if you get ripped here at the
> CR
> forum.....who wants that??? what's bad for one is bad for us all...if
> the
> "baron" gets support here it's from someone who has gotten his
> stuff...that does'nt
> count, that's what he's supposed to do!!!... but if people here are
> actually
> sending $$$ and hearing nothing back but excuses than that should be known
> to
> us all....it takes the "baron" to bring out other stories that i've heard,
> we've all heard, off list, about those among us that behave poorly. i'm
> not an
> angel and have bought my share of things that seemed priced too low to be
> true (
> i didn't say hey, you know you could get triple for this. leastwise not
> before i bought and took home a super deal )...so what ARE we talking
> about???...did he take your money and give you an excuse instead of what
> you ordered?...or
> is he just an irresponsible ebusiness man? i for one, would like to know
> before i fall prey to a stinker. charlie flaherty baltimore maryland usa