Hi Norris, Please take into consideration that I don't have the depth of knowledge of these frames that you have, probably not many do. By calling the frame a Doucheron, I was relying on Mike's representation and what he had written on a card that accompanied the frame. I also didn't know that "constructour" had a specific definition when it came to dropouts. The point I was trying to make is that they were not name brand production like Campagnolo or Simplex. The English bikes that I have that use Nervex Pro Lugs have a minimal number of braze on's, almost none. That was my reference. In any event I was stating the obvious and giving credit to the French builders. What I was trying to do Norris was write an eBay ad and not a technical description and provide a measure of entertainment. I didn't set out to offend any purists, nor embellish the description with anything that couldn't be gleaned from the photographs. Recognize that there is a difference in perceptions and understanding that people like yourself, with a great deal of highly specific knowledge, have and those of us that know little but can still appreciate the item. Don't be so hard on us we still contribute.
Al Van Varick
Tucson, AZ