[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 58, Issue 77

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From: "Giorgio Panciroli" <info@vintagetransfers.it>
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Hello all, If you want you can see original brass Legnano head badge and Cimatti Original decals on: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150175272575&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005 http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150175969861&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005

Giorgio Panciroli
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> 1. Re: Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay (ternst)
> 2. re:Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay (Robert Schenker)
> 3.
> Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 58, Issue 76 1951 Bates BAR
> $1500.00
> 4. Shameless ebay outing of vintage hats (Leonard Diamond)
> 5. re: Ideale thread (Robert Schenker)
> 6. Re: Regarding Colnago Carving styles
> 7. Re: Ideale saddle
> 8. Campagnolo tool for sale IS SOLD (John Pergolizzi)
> 9. Ann Arbor vintage ride this weekend
> 10. Ideor Asso (Chip Barker)
> 11. Intersting tandem on ebay (Steve Birmingham)
> 12. International fork (john strizek)
> 13. Re: Ideor Asso (Peter Jourdain)
> 14. Raysport (Jay Sexton)
> 15. So. Cal fires (Jay Sexton)
> 16. Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay (Jay Sexton)
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:54:46 -0700
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Kim Carney" <kjcarney@ucdavis.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay
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> I think I can. This is the bottom of the line we sold of the Olmo models.
> Straight guage tubing, Stamped dropouts.
> 27" Nisi or Fiamme Steel hubs,QR, later, wingnuts earlier in the '60's,
> possibly into the '50's also.
> Steel cottered Olmo/ Magistroni type swaged crankset, Gran sport
> dreailleurs, Earlier models rod ft. shifter, later ones box type push rod
> GS.
> They retailed for about $89.95
> It's nice to love Olmo but the present buyer is besotted and the price
> has
> the fine cachet of emotional and irrational exhuberance!
> God love him, go for it!
> One man's meat is another man's poison.
> There's a cover for every pot.
> The next model up had sewups, forged Campy ends, Blue label Fiammes, HF
> Campy hubs, Gran Sport derailleurs, also straight guage tubing, steel
> cottered Magistroni cranks, usually steel chainwheels 47/50. Retail
> $129.95.
> Best model was full Campy as extant during those years upgraded as
> equipment
> introduced, slight price increase according to components. Red label
> Fiamme
> sewups, HF Campy hubs , earlier ones racing Magistroni cranks, alloy
> chainrings, GS derailleurs, Brooks saddle, alloy Ambrosio bar and
> adjustable
> stem, DB Falck tubing, forged Campy dropouts, started at $169.95.
> When Campy cranks were on think the price went to $189.95
> Out here in California they were brought in by the Mole Family who had
> bought the John T. Bill Co in LA when the guys from the !900 age Co.
> retired.
> Papa and brother Mole were vaudeville unicycle performers and very well
> known. They had a shop in LA before they bought the wholesale house.
> Phil Mole Sr, was the So Cal ABLA (UCSF) district rep and sponsored many
> races and with a few others kept the sport going during the difficult
> depression and war years.
> The three Kids, Pete, Phil Jr, and Kate kept the business going until they
> retired.
> Pete Mole was a main person these last years popularizing and developing
> the
> Dahon folding bike line, so well-known today, He's even older than me if
> that's possible, but still keeps active in the Dahon Co. so far as I know.
> Just little trivia to give some provenance to the frame in case the
> bidding
> frenzy overtakes your senses and you succumb to the
> song of the sirens, or maybe Loreley.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates
> CA USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kim Carney" <kjcarney@ucdavis.edu>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:29 PM
> Subject: [CR]Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay
>
>
>>
>> Can anyone add to our knowledge of this frame?
>>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>
>> No relation to seller.
>>
>> Kim Carney
>> Davis, CA
>> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:12:36 -0700
> From: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: re:[CR]Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay
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> Steven is correct. It's a mid level frameset--not bad at all, but not
> top of the line. I know because I have one which I bought about 25
> years ago. The ride is good--it's not gas pipe. I've got a nice photo
> buried somewhere.
>
> Bob Schenker
> Oakland CA
>
>
>> Kim was asking about the Olmo frame for sale here:
>>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> Original_W0QQitemZ1701605
>> 66893
>>
>> In my opinion this is a low to mid-range frame that is already bid
>> up to
>> more than double its true value. Everything points to it being a
>> simple
>> gas-pipe tubing frame and most definitely not Reynolds or Columbus
>> tubing as the description would lead you to believe. The lugs are
>> alo a
>> stock model to be found on numerous other brands too and are therefore
>> of no particular collection value. The only real value I can find to
>> this frame is the neat looking original paint, headbadge and headset.
>> Too bad the seller isn't also supplying the seatlug collar which are
>> nnot always easy to find and would have been Olmo branded. I
>> believe you
>> can find yourself a nicer and better frame at half the price.
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:16:33 EDT
> From: Crumpy6204@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]
> Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 58, Issue 76 1951 Bates BAR $1500.00
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> Forgot to add that it has Coral twin Bar mount Bottle cages green,
> Bulemels
> black pump,, and Baycliff bag and support, ALSO Cyclo Champdumonde alloy
> pedals,(VERY RARE) I can supply photos, GOES ON EBAY Next week. Cheers
> John
> Crump. OldEbayitusCrump, Parker Co USA
>
>
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>
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>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:17:28 -0400
> From: "Leonard Diamond" <leonarddiamond@verizon.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Shameless ebay outing of vintage hats
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> Greetings all!
>
> I have 35 cycling caps and wool winter caps listed on ebay currently.
> Highlights include 2 wool Sergal winter caps, a Protogs wool winter cap,
> a Cinelli wool cap and a black wool Sergal cap with Guerciotti in chain
> stitched lettering. Cotton caps including Legnano/Pirelli, Raleigh,
> Regina, Cinelli-old logo, Avocet, Clement and many other old time brands
> as well as a few pro teams from the late 70's-early 80's. All the caps
> are genuine-no modern reproductions and almost all are new/never used.
> The listings can be seen at:
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> cottageplacecyclist if the link is broken.
>
>
>
> Thanks for looking and the bandwidth!
>
> Len Diamond
>
> Ridgewood, NJ USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:36:59 -0700
> From: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com>
> To: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]re: Ideale thread
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> A couple of comments on the Ideale 92 thread.
>
> 1. The 92 was designed as a touring saddle--it was the widest they
> made. It came in several colors, black, natural leather (which turned
> medium brown with use), an oxblood hue that is really wonderful--I
> have one and that's the only one I've ever seen, and I think there
> may have also been a medium brown as well. These came with either
> large hammered rivets or normal ones with Ideale stamped on each
> rivet head. There was, as mentioned, a man's and women's version. The
> women's essentially has the nose shortened considerably. The man's
> has the letter H (for hommes) incorporated into the side flap
> stamping; the women's has a D (for dames).
>
> I've owned lots of Ideales over the years. They are wonderful saddles
> in general, but once in a while one would just go soft and collapse--
> once that happens they are beyond retrieval by tensioning or any
> other remedy I've tried. This could be either over-all or just on one
> side or only on the rear quarter where the sit bone goes. I noticed
> that Jan complained about this with a modern Brooks in the latest
> Bicycle Quarterly.
>
> 2. A couple of years ago I unknowingly bought one of the later non-
> French Ideale saddles, a black 92. It looks exactly like all the
> others I own with one exception--there is no brass logo plate on the
> back edge. Instead the leather is stamped "Ideale." So that's one way
> to tell it's not a French one. I've used this saddle and the quality
> is excellent. You may not be getting a collectible, but it will still
> be a very good piece of gear, possibly better than many of the
> originals.
>
> Bob Schenker
> Oakland, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:40:29 EDT
> From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Regarding Colnago Carving styles
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>
> Sorry all, my post below (and yes, I forgot to include my link) was
> intended
> to go to Brad privately. I'm not including it here, since I think I have
> already posted it to the List at least three times in the last few
> months.
>
> You see, all this Colnago minutia talk seems to be making things with my
> bike more confusing, as opposed to more clear. My green Super has simple
> milled
> stem and post, and the big ring has the club shape drilled in, ala the
> first
> style, but my flutes and drillings are different from those Brad is
> referring to when he writes "the first rig". The drilled derailleurs,
> brake levers,
> and milled shifters are NOT original, and should NOT be considered when
> trying to date the bike. The "original" (as I received the bike) cranks
> and hub
> locknuts are both dated 1974, which is what I went with originally, but
> Chuck's and Eric E's timelines seem to put the frameset closer to 1973,
> so I've
> already changed the date in the album title and the names of the pics to
> reflect
> that. This new series of posts makes things a bit muddier though. This
> includes Charles' most recent reply to Brad's post.
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI USA
> ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:44:17 EDT
> From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Regarding Colnago Carving styles
>
>
> Hey Brad, nice post. According to your list, are my parts the ones from
> Rig
> #1? Thanks...
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI
> ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] Ray's '72 Colnago, Pantographata time line?
>
> Regarding Colnago Carving styles:
>
>>From my Ebay observations it appears that the first carving rig on
> Colnagos
> is the combo of the "Merckx-style" drilled big ring with a fluted
> seatpost
> and a "Merckx-style" slotted stem.
>
> The second rig is the "Merckx-style" ring with the panto seatpost and
> panto
> stem (like Ray's).
>
> Then the third rig is the "pantographata" group with panto
> post,stem,ring,and
> brake levers that are outlined with a fine row of holes around the edge,
> and
> have the club above 3 diamonds on the front.
>
> I also have a pair of similar brake levers, perhaps a bit later, that are
> the
> same except they have the club-inside-a-"C" instead of a club.
>
> All these rigs appear on post-'playing-card' bikes that have the
> club+holes
> or club/no holes crown, and with clubs in all 3 lugs, which suggests
> that
> the
> metamorphosis from rig 1 to rig3 ocurred entirely during the '72 '73
> period
> -- I suppose at the rate at which premium-price bicycle products are
> dispensed, they must have all been on offer more-or-less simultaneously.
>
> On a side note, it just recently got through my thick sloping forehead
> that
> "Super Pantographata" probably just referred to a model "Super" with
> pantographed components, rather than a bike with stupendous
> pantographing
> --
> although, hey, they both work.
>
> Brad Stockwell
> Palo Alto
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:45:43 EDT
> From: Stronglight49@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Ideale saddle
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> This auction ended just recently . A standard length tan leather
> Diagonale
> #92. Beautiful looking saddle, and the width would have made it a nice
> saddle for long rides. If I had the spare cash I would have bid.
>
> Ebay item # 180165966013
>
> BOB HANSON, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, USA
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:08:16 -0700
> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'John Pergolizzi'" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo tool for sale IS SOLD
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> Thank Youse all for your interest. I will post some j-pegs on
> Wooljersey in the next few days.
>
> Johnny Pergolizzi
> La Jolla, Ca.
> What was that Cheech and Chong movie?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of John
> Pergolizzi
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:24 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo tool for sale
>
> Dear List;
>
>
>
> For Sale,
>
> A very special little Campagnolo tool! This is the double
> ended wrench that fits the cone flats on the adjustable pulley wheels on
> the very first generation ( and second and so on for a while) rear
> derailleurs. If ya got one a doze, den ya need one a dezz.
>
> Excellent condition, blued surface fully intact, extremely
> minor surface rust on a 1/16 inch area ( I expect fully removable w/
> 0000 steel wool and WD40). About 8 cm. long; 7mm on one end and 11mm.
> on the other. Very thin.
>
> I can't tell you how old this is. I have only seen two and this is one
> of um. I'm keeping the other. She is NOT marked "Campagnolo" anywhere;
> as original as far as I know. I do not know if they made them or if it
> appears in any of the catalogues but this is THE right tool for the job.
>
>
>
>
> Seventy five bucks U.S. currency.
>
>
>
> John T.Pergolizzi
>
> La Jolla, Ca.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:24:27 -0400
> From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Ann Arbor vintage ride this weekend
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> I have posted this to the DVBM group, but just in case there is anyone on
> the CR list who might find themselves close to Ann Arbor this weekend, I
> am also posting it here. Hopefully there will be a ride report and
> pictures later
>
> I know it is short notice, but please join us for a ride from Ann Arbor to
> Dexter and back this Saturday October 27. Start and finish is at Ken
> Freeman's house, 815 W. Jefferson in Ann Arbor. Plan is to meet at Ken's
> at 8:30, start riding by 9:00, stop for a snack in Dexter, get back to Ann
> Arbor for lunch.
>
> This will be a friendly, no drop ride. Bring your cool old bike and lets
> have fun while the weather is still decent. Feel free to invite a friend.
> Vintage bikes encouraged, but not required.
>
> Fixed gear is possible, but it's a little hilly.
>
> Ken's phone numbers are work (734)710-5689; cell (734)645-4021; home
> (734)665-0016
>
> Mine are Work 313-665-6988, Home 248-544-7009
>
> Best regards,
> Marcus Helman
> Huntington Woods, MI
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:46:15 -0700
> From: "Chip Barker" <not2zen@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Ideor Asso
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> I just found one of these and am having difficulty collecting information
> about it. Has anyone compiled the little information there is about this
> bike in one place? A bike shop in Montrose, CA apparently imported them
> from
> Italy but the owner has retired, it seems. Anyone been on this trail
> before
> me?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:56:25 -0400
> From: "Steve Birmingham" <sbirmingham@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Intersting tandem on ebay
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> Interesting tandem, pickup only in north Florida, so it's a bit far for
> me.
> Not much in the way of decent pics, but it seems 30's -40's from the
> headset. At the $150 I'd take the chance if it was local to me.
>
> Item 110164216412
>
> Steve Birmingham
> Lowell, Ma
> USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: john strizek <lyonstrings@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]International fork
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> I have a Raleigh International. It is green with the small lettering in
> red, but I do not know what year it is. I have had it since the seventies.
> It precedes my brown Professional, but I digress.
> I have seen two types of forks on Internationals. I do not know why
> this is. Most are the conventional long straight with sharp curve towards
> the drop-out. Mine has the lesser seen gentle tapering curve. It rides
> like a dream. I think an acceptable fork would be available, with a very
> similiar appearanc, or even same appearance. While not correct a period
> cinelli crown fork would look nice. I have a '73 Paramount. the Paramont
> has essentialy the same measurements and specs. The Schwinn, although
> pretty in all chrome, rides like a truck in comparison with the
> International.
> That being said, II would rather ride an International with an
> incorrect fork than wait for the remote possibility of finding a correct
> fork. I had no such illusions of correctness for my beloved PR-10 mule. A
> PR-10 is essentially a PX with a carbon fork. I have ridden the PR with
> its original carbon fork and then changed it for a chrome Tange fork. The
> fork looks good and rides good. I have had this bike since the early
> eighties. I have had it with the original 49d crank, then changed it to a
> triple from a double setup, as well as others. Currently it has a Sugino
> Mighty Comp with a single black chainring. From the original tires I
> currently have my first mountain bike wheels, built in the eighties. 26"
> arayas laced to atom drum hubs front and rear, with a 5 speed freewheel.
> There is a point to this, I just like to have fun and there is no
> correct setup for me. If you do not want to ride your "new" International,
> let me know. I like the way they ride or at least the way the one I have
> rides.
>
> Now my questions for the day.
>
> 1.Has anyone had any luck or have any suggestions removing sticker
> type decals. My brown Raleigh Professional has a sticker at the bottom of
> the seat tube giving it a number 52 of the edition. I really need to
> repaint it. I can't imagine finding a replacement sticker. I would like to
> try removing the old one with possibly a heat gun, repainting and then
> re-apply with some form of adhesive.
> 2. What would be wrong with re-painting in the light blue metallic
> rather than the brown metallic? Okay; I would rather ride incorrect
> International fork than wait around, but I would re-paint a Professional
> in a different than original color. Does it make sense, maybe not.
>
> Hapy Trails,
> John Strizek
> Sacramento, California USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Peter Jourdain <pjourdain@yahoo.com>
> To: Chip Barker <not2zen@gmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ideor Asso
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> Hi, Chip---
>
> I was EXACTLY in your shoes three or so years ago,
> when I picked up a 1960 Ideor Asso Olimpic as my first
> back-into-the-vintage-bike-scene cycle. They're a
> short-lived ('50s-early '60s) marque which sponsored a
> European race team. They produced a range of five or
> so racing bikes (plus city bikes), most racers built
> with Columbus tubing. Lower models used Mannesmann
> tubing. Very decent machines.
>
> Chuck Schmidt at http://www.velo-retro.com/
> sells a repro Ideor catalogue well worth picking up.
> And DO search the CR Archives at
> http://search.bikelist.org/
>
> Enter the term "Ideor" in the CR Archive search engine
> and you'll find my original posts and the MANY helpful
> responses I received from the great CR folks. I've got
> a few photos of mine I'll try to dig up for you.
>
> Happy hunting!
>
> Peter Jourdain
> Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A
>
>
>
>
> --- Chip Barker <not2zen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just found one of these and am having difficulty
>> collecting information
>> about it. Has anyone compiled the little information
>> there is about this
>> bike in one place? A bike shop in Montrose, CA
>> apparently imported them from
>> Italy but the owner has retired, it seems. Anyone
>> been on this trail before
>> me?
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:04:21 -0700
> From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Raysport
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> I am now the current caretaker of a very nice Raysport frame and fork.
> The archives yielded some great info and comments, but all the photo
> links are old, so don't work. Would any of you Raysport owners care to
> share photos of your rides? I'd like to get some build ideas
>
> Kevin Kruger, do you still have yours?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:13:27 -0700
> From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net>
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> Subject: [CR]So. Cal fires
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> This may be pushing the limits but I wanted to wish our Southern Cali
> brethren well through the fire storm that's whipping the area.
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:21:21 -0700
> From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Olmo 1950's - 1960's on ebay
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> I have an early 60's Olmo Special that looks similar to the e-bay
> frame. True, nothing incredibly fancy, but I like it, mostly because
> it is completely original in really good condition, red, and shiny. I
> paid $150.
>
> Jay (oh oh; three strikes you're out) Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
> Can anyone add to our knowledge of this frame?
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> No relation to seller.
>
> Kim Carney
>
>
>
> I had one of those and as Steven Maasland wrote, it was nothing special.
> If
> you search the archives, this model has been discussed (I don't recall the
> name of the model). The archives say Olmo used the "fancy" lugs to
> tart-up
> an otherwise gaspipe frame. I think I paid about $100 and that included
> delivery but the paint on mine was not nearly as good. It makes a good
> fixie.
>
> David Beck
> Crystal Lake, IL USA
>
>
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