Hello all,
I have put in auction on ebay Bianchi Edoardo Original headbadge. If you
want you can see it on:
http://cgi.ebay.it/
All the best
Giorgio Panciroli
Reggio Emilia
Italia
info@vintagetransfers.it
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> 1. Seeking Peter Bruggman (bruce thomson)
> 2. Seeking GRANDIS riders and collectors (bruce thomson)
> 3. Shimano Titlist, was Re: [CR] Proteus, correct Front Derailleur
> (Harvey Sachs)
> 4. RE: Pre war handlebar diameter (David Beck)
> 5. RE: Favorite Cycling Book? (Charles Lathe)
> 6. WTB: 60's TTT Grand Prix "Special" Stem (Dale B. Phelps)
> 7. Re: Seeking GRANDIS riders and collectors
> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 8. Re: RE: Favorite Cycling Book? (John Betmanis)
> 9. Re: Time lines and C-Record
> 10. for sale..suntour vx gt long cage rear derailleur.
> 11. WTB/WTT - interesting 26.2 seatpost for Roberson frame
> (David G. White)
> 12. Re: RE: Favorite Cycling Book? (Andrew Bohlmann)
> 13. FS: Regina Extra Oro Freewheel & Slotted cleats
> 14. Re: 1983 cutoff
> 15. Re: 1983 cutoff
> 16. Question about drilling Paramount track bikes for front
> (Mark Poore)
> 17. Re: Re: Time lines and C-Record (Ed Braley)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Seeking Peter Bruggman
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> Anyone have a contact for Peter Bruggeman. I wanted to converse about the
> Grandis bicycle.
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:12:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Seeking GRANDIS riders and collectors
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> Llisters: I wanted to find out who has some Grandis bicycles, to trade
> photograps (or even bicycles) and to determine history, variations,
> colors,and decal and other variations. I have three now and want to
> compare with others. BT .
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:27:39 -0400
> From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, TonyCampy@aol.com
> Subject: Shimano Titlist, was Re: [CR] Proteus, correct Front Derailleur
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>
> Tony Winters wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I bought a Schwinn World Voyageur from you a few months ago, a
> project nearing completion. They were spec'd with Shimano Crane GS rear
> derailleur and Shimano Titlist front. The Titlist seems like it would
> work well for your Proteus. Suntour Cyclone wasn't introduced until
> 1975, so they would be just slightly off for a 1973 bike. Thanks for
> all your Miyata One Thousand help on the MiyataSpecTour list!
> ++++++++++++++++++++
> The Shimano titlist is one of my favorites, and I think it is vastly
> under-rated. Not a lightweight, but strong and darned near idiot-proof.
> You can even remove the cage for cleaning. Back then, Bill Boston used
> to modify Campy Record fronts so they would reach out farther, for his
> tandems. The Titlist is much easier to modify. Since the attachment of
> cage to body is only on the inner cage plate, it can be detached. For
> our curved-tube Schwinn Town & Country tandem, the seat post angle at
> the attachment point near vertical, and the attachment wanted to move
> forward, too. Easily done, and at the same time I could put in a spacer
> to move the action out further. And the final touch: extending the cage
> with pieces from another one. Worked for years, but may your bikes
> never need such kludging!
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:48:18 -0500
> From: "David Beck" <db@h3odesign.com>
> To: "'Sheldon Brown'" <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>,
> "'Hilary Stone'" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Pre war handlebar diameter
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> Thanks to all who replied. Your information is very helpful.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Beck
> Crystal Lake, IL USA
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Charles Lathe <cohobicycles@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]RE: Favorite Cycling Book?
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> Favorite books come and go depending on what I'm
> reading or in the mood for, but I do like The Rider,
> but Tim Krabbé, 1978, English translation 2002. It is
> in lots of bookstores.
>
> Charles Lathe
> Franklinville, NC
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB: 60's TTT Grand Prix "Special" Stem
> Message-ID: <321861.91457.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> This is the one that says "MADE IN JTALY" on the side. 110mm Excellent
> used or NOS.(MAYBE a 120mm, or both if I have to.) Theres a 100 on my bike
> now and its just too short. Photo of the "type" on wool jersey at
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies, leads, offers etc
>
> Dale "not into lookin a the centerline of the front hub" Phelps
> Mantagna lunga Colorado USA
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Seeking GRANDIS riders and collectors
> Message-ID: <337876.1250.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Lou Deeter used to have a couple of Grandis. I believe he brought one to
> the last Cirque I attended.
>
> REgards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>
>
> bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Llisters: I wanted to find out who has some Grandis bicycles, to trade
> photograps (or even bicycles) and to determine history, variations,
> colors,and decal and other variations. I have three now and want to
> compare with others. BT .
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:20:12 -0400
> From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Favorite Cycling Book?
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> If I had to say which book I've opened most often since I've had it, it
> would be Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechanics (Third Edition).
>
> John Betmanis
> Woodstock, Ontario
> Canada
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:56:05 -0400
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Time lines and C-Record
> Message-ID: <8C9E7CCDAE8AC65-AF4-1F14@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> I hope all those wondering about time line cut offs and such have wandered
> around in the CR archives and gotten a feel for it...
> The bottom line is that no particular date would work for everyone and in
> the end, I just decided it would remain 1983... Tullio Campagnolo's death
> is a big part of that. The growth/wider use & development in mountain
> bikes, welded frames vs brazed, aluminum & other materials, oversized
> tubing, clipless pedals, cyclo-computers, click shifting, cassette hubs,
> lycra,? etc., etc., etc.? Sure, there were some of these things before
> that date... Sure, some vintagesque stuff continued after (that's why we
> use the Keeper of the Flame designation). But in the end, the final cut,
> 1983 is not bad to use, and either way, that is the decision. Period.
>
> Now, what about so called "C-Record"?
>
> Unlike a few of my buddies out there, I do not think much of
> C-Record.? I believe C-Record is sort of
> aesthetically "pretty" in a heavy handed and clunky way but I feel it is a
> denigration
> of what the old man stood for and it demonstrates Valentino's immature and
> unwise leap into "doing his own thing"... an effort which came off rather
> badly.?
>
>
>
> To wit:
>
> - Delta brakes that rusted internally, had inadequate tire clearance,
> were heavy and hard to work on, and even when
> properly breathed on, didn't work all that well ....
>
> - Rear derailleurs that had sprung upper & lower pivots but worked only
> marginally better that GS/NR/SR but with shorter range and were over
> weight too.
>
> - Shift levers that worked OK when friction or ratcheting, but then along
> came Syncro 1
> and 2? that was so bad it set Campy back millions of dollars and years
> of acceptance.
>
> - Brake levers that didn't fit the hand, were awkward & fat, had poor
> overall engineering & mechanical advantage.
>
> - Hubs that had goofy dust caps that are easily damaged and hard to work
> on... plus high flanges that broke off easily!
>
> - Cranks with goofy crank puller reverse threaded caps that you needed a
> unique puller for.
> - Need I mention SGR pedals? Gag!
>
>
>
> In the C-Record, Triomph, Victory Chorus era, Campy was struck such a
> huge blow in prestige and such a loss of users that it almost knocked them
> out
> of the bike business!? And we won't mention the equally stupid mountain
> bike stuff Valentino's crew came up with! Tullio had to have been
> rolling over and over in his grave!!!
>
> So phooey to C-Record (even though I have a number of bikes with it and
> they are pretty cool.. Ha ha!)
>
>
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:56:13 EDT
> From: Rnitro1969@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]for sale..suntour vx gt long cage rear derailleur.
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> greetings
>
> in real decent shape with
> no scrathes but needs polishing.
> $20.00 shipped u.s.
>
> thanks
> robbie fellows
> lakewood,ca.
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:00:20 -0400
> From: "David G. White" <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB/WTT - interesting 26.2 seatpost for Roberson frame
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>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I just received (thanks Brian!) a Rob Roberson frame. It's 65cm center
> to center - my perfect size! I rarely see any bike in my ideal
> size, let alone something as special as a Roberson! I bought it from
> the original owner who said Rob built it for him in 1981 for light
> touring. It does not have the fancy bling that ones sees on some
> Robersons, but is a beautiful frame nonetheless. It has his signature
> chrome "R" on the headtube. It also has braze-on cable stops on the
> down tube, so I presume it was designed for bar-end shifters. (Roberson
> used a cool tube style stop, rather than a plain stop. I've never seen
> stops quite like these.) It still has its original Cyclart paint job
> -- a sweet baby blue pearl, in quite good shape for a 26 year old
> frame.
>
>
>
> Before receiving the frame I was thinking about Campy super record,
> Dura-Ace AX, and sundry other options for the build. But after seeing
> it, I realized this is perfect for the first generation black anodized
> Dura-Ace group I've had stashed away, awaiting the right frame. So this
> weekend I've been building it up. Black drilled D-A chainrings and
> crank, black D-A large flange hubs, rare 1st generation D-A bar ends,
> black D-A brakes, black Crane GS rear derailleur (I want to wrap a lot
> of chain to allow a wide range of ratios for Vermont's mountains!),
> black D-A headset, etc. To my eye the black Dura-Ace looks great
> against the baby blue pearl paint. I'm nearly done but for a few
> things, one of which is the seatpost.
>
>
>
> To my surprise, it takes a 26.2 seatpost. I had none in my stash, so I
> ran out and bought a cheap modern one at my LBS to tide me over, but it
> simply won't do. This bike deserves much better. I'd like something
> interesting, preferably non-campy, to use. Simplex, Zeus, some unusual
> or fancy Japanese seatpost, whatever. Surely some of you have odd ball
> 26.2 seatposts collecting dust in your parts bins!
>
>
>
> Let me know what you have. I'm happy to buy or discuss a trade for
> something in my parts bin.
>
>
>
> Off list please.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> David G. White
>
> Burlington, VT
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:12:50 -0600
> From: "Andrew Bohlmann" <encantadas@pcisys.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "John Betmanis" <johnb@oxford.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Favorite Cycling Book?
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> The C.OF.NO.I. bible.
>
> It guided all of us....
>
>
> Andy Bohlmann
> Colorado Springs, CO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Betmanis" <johnb@oxford.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Favorite Cycling Book?
>
>
>> If I had to say which book I've opened most often since I've had it, it
>> would be Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechanics (Third Edition).
>>
>> John Betmanis
>> Woodstock, Ontario
>> Canada
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:14:59 -0700
> From: masirider@mac.com
> To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FS: Regina Extra Oro Freewheel & Slotted cleats
> Message-ID: <E75D6634-821A-44C4-8830-DBA252668649@mac.com>
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>
> For Sale:
>
> 1) Regina Extra Oro freewheel. Used. 13-17 5-speed. Good condition.
> I'm the original owner and hasn't been ridden in 30 years. $30 shipped.
>
> 2) White plastic slotted cleats, donkeys years old - maybe off of old
> Duegi shoes? Used but lots of life left for the right shoes. $10
> shipped.
>
> For photos, go to ...
>
> http://web.mac.com/
> the page.
>
> Let me know if I'm way off base on the pricing. These are my best
> guesses at a fair price. Thanks.
>
> Drew Ellison
> Everett, Washington USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:28:57 -0400
> From: travis.harry@gmail.com
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]1983 cutoff
> Message-ID: <MONKEYFOODTJQmQzbVH00001886@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
> In-Reply-To: <e2aa926410ff.4723e5d8@optonline.net>
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> Message: 14
>
> -oOo-
> Of course, since all of us recognized CR's ground rules when we joined,
> unless, for whateer reason, the Listmeister sees fit to change them, it
> would seem that they'll have to remain intact. However, perhaps an
> associated site (CR-II?) could be formed covering the years 1983 to
> 1993? Certainly some bikes and components made during that time must
> have some merit. For what it's worth, sales of some bikes and parts
> from that time-period would imply there is quite a bit of interest
> around. George
> George Hollenberg MD
>
> Not that he needs it, I threw in a bid on this c. 1990 Davidson Impulse
> for my son, just to watch it, figuring the bike would sell for $1000+.
> After all, isn't Davidson a contemporary master of the flame that the
> KOF would/should respect?
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Seems not. This 57mm bike sold, fully equipped, for <$336. And not
> because the wheels were sew ups.
>
> Yes, George Hollenberg MD is right. If the 1983 date gets in the way of
> clear appreciation of professed core values, get rid of the date.
>
> Harry Travis
> DC USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:46:26 +0000 (GMT)
> From: gholl@optonline.net
> To: travis.harry@gmail.com
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]1983 cutoff
> Message-ID: <e22bcccb517c.47251f52@optonline.net>
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> Whoa there! I never suggested getting rid of the 1983 date. In fact, I'm
> duty bound to respect that date.
> What I suggested was, if there was sufficient interest, or sentiment, and
> with our Listmeister's approval (it's his site after-all) creating
> another, or adjunct, web-site, such as "CR II, or CR Jr.," etc., with an
> alternate time frame-slightly more extended.
> George
> George Hollenberg MD
> Westport, CT, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: travis.harry@gmail.com
> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:29 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]1983 cutoff
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>> -oOo-
>> Of course, since all of us recognized CR's ground rules when we
>> joined,unless, for whateer reason, the Listmeister sees fit to
>> change them, it
>> would seem that they'll have to remain intact. However, perhaps an
>> associated site (CR-II?) could be formed covering the years
>> 1983 to
>> 1993? Certainly some bikes and components made during that time must
>> have some merit. For what it's worth, sales of some bikes and parts
>> from that time-period would imply there is quite a bit of interest
>> around. George
>> George Hollenberg MD
>>
>> Not that he needs it, I threw in a bid on this c. 1990 Davidson
>> Impulsefor my son, just to watch it, figuring the bike would
>> sell for $1000+.
>> After all, isn't Davidson a contemporary master of the flame
>> that the
>> KOF would/should respect?
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> Seems not. This 57mm bike sold, fully equipped, for <$336. And not
>> because the wheels were sew ups.
>>
>> Yes, George Hollenberg MD is right. If the 1983 date gets in the
>> way of
>> clear appreciation of professed core values, get rid of the
>> date.
>>
>> Harry Travis
>> DC USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Question about drilling Paramount track bikes for front
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> In late 1963 I ordered my first Paramount track bike for the '64 season. I
> believe I looked at all the options Schwinn offered for this bike. The
> only option I ordered were the chrome head lugs and fork crown. As best as
> my memory can serve me I don't recall the drilling of the fork crown as an
> option back then, they might have offered it at a later date. I do
> remember drilling nearly all my track bike forks. For one, I trained on
> them as a junior and felt a brake was necessary on the road and secondly
> you had to have a front brake to race them, off the track of course.
>
> Mark Poore
> Slatyfork, WV
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:05:30 -0500
> From: "Ed Braley" <edbraley@maine.rr.com>
> To: <oroboyz@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Time lines and C-Record
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> Well, Dale, it's your list, and I respect your opinion and the right to
> call
> the shots here. But there are other perspectives.
>
> Take that post-NR/SR Campy era, for example: It's worthy of consideration.
>
> People rag all over Campy Victory components. I used to think it was to be
> avoided, too. But I bought a sweet Davidson Impulse earlier this year that
> had a full Victory group on it, and other than the unusual chain ring bcd
> size, I have to say that's it's a well made group. It certainly works as
> well as any of the Nuovo/Super Record stuff that I've owned. The hubs,
> headset, seatpost, bottom bracket and all the other components are smooth,
> well finished, and durable, just as any of better Campy components. Much
> of
> it is still available NOS, and it's very affordable right now.
>
> And, with a nice set of C-Record retro-friction shifters and a D.I.D.
> Supershift chain the Victory derailleur gear changes are better than many
> of
> the other friction drivetrains I've used.
>
> Normally, the CR cutoff restricts this kind of information, but I'll use
> this opportunity to share it with folks who haven't experienced it yet.
>
> Personally, I think the '83 cutoff is a couple of years too early. There's
> a
> lot a interesting componentry from the twilight years of the friction
> shifting era that are getting short-shifted here. What would it hurt to
> open
> up this list to include these orphan bikes and components? There is no
> greater body of knowledge, or group of individuals who are more
> appropriate
> for this dialog. Where else can people go to chat about this stuff?
>
> I say, expand the CR cutoff, make it friction shifting and classic bikes
> to
> 1986.
>
> Ed Braley
> Falmouth, ME
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:56 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Time lines and C-Record
>
>
>>
>> I hope all those wondering about time line cut offs and such have
> wandered around in the CR archives and gotten a feel for it...
>> The bottom line is that no particular date would work for everyone and in
> the end, I just decided it would remain 1983... Tullio Campagnolo's death
> is
> a big part of that. The growth/wider use & development in mountain bikes,
> welded frames vs brazed, aluminum & other materials, oversized tubing,
> clipless pedals, cyclo-computers, click shifting, cassette hubs, lycra,?
> etc., etc., etc.? Sure, there were some of these things before that
> date...
> Sure, some vintagesque stuff continued after (that's why we use the Keeper
> of the Flame designation). But in the end, the final cut, 1983 is not bad
> to
> use, and either way, that is the decision. Period.
>>
>> Now, what about so called "C-Record"?
>>
>> Unlike a few of my buddies out there, I do not think much of
>> C-Record.? I believe C-Record is sort of
>> aesthetically "pretty" in a heavy handed and clunky way but I feel it is
>> a
> denigration
>> of what the old man stood for and it demonstrates Valentino's immature
>> and
>> unwise leap into "doing his own thing"... an effort which came off rather
>> badly.?
>>
>>
>>
>> To wit:
>>
>> - Delta brakes that rusted internally, had inadequate tire clearance,
>> were heavy and hard to work on, and even when
>> properly breathed on, didn't work all that well ....
>>
>> - Rear derailleurs that had sprung upper & lower pivots but worked only
> marginally better that GS/NR/SR but with shorter range and were over
> weight
> too.
>>
>> - Shift levers that worked OK when friction or ratcheting, but then along
> came Syncro 1
>> and 2? that was so bad it set Campy back millions of dollars and years
>> of acceptance.
>>
>> - Brake levers that didn't fit the hand, were awkward & fat, had poor
> overall engineering & mechanical advantage.
>>
>> - Hubs that had goofy dust caps that are easily damaged and hard to work
> on... plus high flanges that broke off easily!
>>
>> - Cranks with goofy crank puller reverse threaded caps that you needed a
> unique puller for.
>> - Need I mention SGR pedals? Gag!
>>
>>
>>
>> In the C-Record, Triomph, Victory Chorus era, Campy was struck such a
>> huge blow in prestige and such a loss of users that it almost knocked
>> them
> out
>> of the bike business!? And we won't mention the equally stupid mountain
>> bike stuff Valentino's crew came up with! Tullio had to have been
>> rolling over and over in his grave!!!
>>
>> So phooey to C-Record (even though I have a number of bikes with it and
> they are pretty cool.. Ha ha!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale Brown
>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>>
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