Re: [CR]E-Bay outing Really gorgeous '66 tall Paramount frame


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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:24:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Jourdain <pjourdain@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]E-Bay outing Really gorgeous '66 tall Paramount frame
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <10696.50295.qm@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi, All--

A knowledgeable List Member has informed me that the last of the type of lug lining described below was performed in December of 1971.

Cheers,

Peter Jourdain
Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A


--- Peter Jourdain wrote:


> Hi, Bob & All---
>
> One of the really nice things about the Paramounts
> of
> this era is something which Peter Weigle pointed out
> in regard to a 1968 Ladies Deluxe I was lucky enough
> to find for my wife----the lug lining. Peter noted
> that the lining, rather than butting up against the
> lugs themselves, skirts the outside edge and in so
> doing really makes the lugs "pop." And the lining
> has
> no wiggle to it---it's dead-on straight and perfect.
> A
> masterful job. I wish all my machines had such
> wonderful lining, and I'm wondering why other
> painters
> don't apply the same type of treatment.
>
> As I recall Peter saying, the lug lining of that era
> was the responsibility of one person, and that at a
> social event (Cirque?) Richard Schwinn recalled the
> name of the person. The detail of the Paramounts
> built
> both before and after that artist's tenure at
> Schwinn
> were never quite the same.
>
> Here's the link to the auction, if you haven't seen
> the frameset yet....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Schwinn-Paramount-Nervex-Lugged-Vintage-Reynolds-531_W0QQitemZ200174808381QQihZ010QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Peter Jourdain
> Whitewater, Wisconsin US of A
>
>
>
>
> --- RDF1249@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/17/2007 5:56:26 PM Pacific
> > Standard Time,
> > classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
> >
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:28:25 -0500
> > From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [CR]E-Bay outing Really gorgeous '66
> tall
> > Paramount frame
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> >
> > This is one of the nicest Paramount frames to go
> > through E-Bay in a while,
> > in my opinion. It seems to be a 24" and may not
> be
> > a P-10 as the seller
> > feels.at this date, a P-13 deluxe road racer would
> > have eyelets, too, as Ed
> > Granger slyly pointed out to me this morning.
> >
> >
> > There was not a P-10 in 1966, according to the
> > catalog pictured in the
> > Schwinn Lightweight Data book online. There was
> > the standard road racing
> > Paramount P-12 and the Deluxe road racing
> Paramount
> > P-13. Looking at the catalog
> > specs though, it is hard to discern any
> differences.
> > All I can see is the
> > crank, Stronglight steel vs. Campy record alloy.
> > That for a $51 difference in
> > price. The geometry and frame specs appear to be
> > the same, clear up through
> > about 1972, when you can see the P-13 frame
> > pictured with campy top tube cable
> > clips instead of braze-ons. Can anyone shed any
> > light on other differences?
> > The chainstays in the one on ebay look to be
> about
> > 45 cm, and the ones on
> > both bikes in the catalog seem to be 43 cm.
> That's
> > just measuring off the
> > picture and calculating. The margin of error
> could
> > mean they are the same. My
> > 1962 P-12 (which has no chrome by the way) has 43
> > cm chainstays. Seems the
> > specs and models remained unchanged until 1969
> when
> > they no longer offered the
> > P-12. The P-10 doesn't show up until 1973 by the
> > way, along with the P-60
> > and P-65 ladies models. The P-15 first appears
> as
> > the Diamond Jubilee
> > Paramount in 1970. And the first mention I see
> of
> > the P-13 as coming stock with
> > sewups is 1970, although it was probably an
> option
> > before then. My 1972 P-13
> > has no eyelets and has shorter chainstays, closer
> > rear brake reach, and top
> > tube cable clips. Maybe that was the first year
> of
> > the real racing spec P-13?
> >
> >
> > Bob Freeman
> > Elliott Bay Bicycles
> > 2116 Western Ave
> > Seattle, WA 98121
> > 206-441-8144
> > Home of Davidson Handbuilt Bicycles
> >
> >
> >
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