[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20

(Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley)

From: "Baron von Drais" <draisienne@hotmail.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20

Hi Ray, If you don't get any better offers I'm sure I can get those stands for you for $11 Canadian each. $11CDN is about $12US right now. Shipping wo uld be from Champlain NY and probably cost $10 (US). Add $1 for the PayPal fees as this is all at cost. Regards, Peter Schwar Montreal, Canada (the above 2 lines are testament that Dale has me properly trained!)
  
> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:46 -0800> > Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the W orld Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrende zvous> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> classi crendezvous-request@bikelist.org> > You can reach the person managing the l ist at> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Classicrend ezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Wanted: White Regal sadd le (Raymond Dobbins)> 2. Wanted: Display stand with wheels (Raymond Dobbins )> 3. wanted: frame and fork, track or road. (jeffrey piwonka)> 4. Wanted: Display stand with wheels - with proper signoff> (Raymond Dobbins)> 5. The Fourth Annual NYC-area iBOB Ruff Stuff ride!> (Silver, Mordecai)> 6. Frame Re-Finishing Question (Guy Taylor)> 7. Re: More on those Bottle cage braze ons (ehbusch)> 8. Cali Masi listed on Ebay> 9. Masi Pista (Wayne Bingham)> 10. Re: gearing on classic racing bicycles (Aldo Ross)> 11. Masi Special pi sta for sale on ebay (Bob Hovey)> 12. Masi Special pista for sale on ebay ( The Maaslands)> 13. Rained today ... (Robert Clair)> 14. WTB stronglight 49 d / Universal mod 61 (Jay S.)> 15. Dating an Ideor 'Asso' ...help! (Larry M yers)> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:04:37 -0800 (PST)> From: Raymond Dobbins
   <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrende zvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Wanted: White Regal saddle> Message-ID: < 533010.58893.qm@web60421.mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset =iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Preceden ce: list> Message: 1> > Wanted, one white Regal saddle. New or used, smooth
   or perforated.> > Will buy or trade.> > Thanks,> > Ray Dobbins> Miami FL U SA> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alterna tive> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> --------------------- ---------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:27:24 -0800 (PST)> From: Raymond Dobb ins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicre ndezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Wanted: Display stand with wheels> Mes sage-ID: <368794.57841.qm@web60415.mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plai n; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> Precedence: list> Message: 2> > I need two of these stands, like in this photo:> > http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/11432765/2007/11/4/Masi_030.j pg> > BTW, that's not my bike, that's the Masi Pista that's on eBay right n ow.> > Thanks,> > Ray> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
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   From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelis t.org> Subject: [CR]wanted: frame and fork, track or road.> Message-ID: <24 3392.11663.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; chars et=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Preced ence: list> Message: 3> > I have some extra parts I'd like to put to use. I
   have> both track and road parts so I'm looking for either a> track or road
   frame and fork.> > I'd prefer steep angles and tight clearances since I> h ave a pretty relaxed road frame already.> > Finish and color is not too imp ortant, worn is fine as> long as it is structurally sound. I guess some chr ome> on the fork and stays would be pretty pleasing though> :-)> > Anything
   from early 90's and older may interest me, so> I guess on or off topic.> >
   As for size;> Seat tube around 57cm to 60cm> Top tube around 56-57cm> > I don't have much to trade, so an outright buy would> be most likely. > maybe
   i could scare up for trade a set of cinelli 67> track bars, cinelli 2A ste m (new logo), off topic NJS> dura ace track hubs 36 hole new in box...not m uch> else.> > Thanks,> Jeff Piwonka> austin texas usa> -------------------- ----------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:32:16 -0800 (PST)> From: Raymond Dob bins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo. com>,> Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subje ct: [CR]Wanted: Display stand with wheels - with proper signoff> Message-ID : <616106.76683.qm@web60416.mail.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <368794.57841.qm@ web60415.mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> M IME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Messag e: 4> > Sorry, forgot to sign off properly.> > Ray Dobbins> Miami FL USA> >
   Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com> wrote:> I need two of these sta nds, like in this photo:> > http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/11432765/20 07/11/4/Masi_030.jpg> > BTW, that's not my bike, that's the Masi Pista that 's on eBay right now.> > Thanks,> > Ray> > > --- StripMime Report -- proces sed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> _______________________________________________> Classicren dezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikelist.o rg/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > > > --- StripMime Report -- proces sed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16: 11:35 -0500> From: "Silver, Mordecai" <MSilver@iso.com>> To: "Classic Rende zvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: James Swan <jswan@optonline.ne t>> Cc: Paul Lee <Paul.Lee@aeroflex.com>> Cc: Michael Schmidt <mdschmidt@pa tmedia.net>> Subject: [CR]The Fourth Annual NYC-area iBOB Ruff Stuff ride!>
   Message-ID: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D817FB@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com>>
   Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence : list> Message: 5> > The annual iBOB Croton Aqueduct trail ride will take place on Sunday,> November 18th -- it's only the fourth edition, but it has
   the feel of a> classic ride, one that I look forward to every autumn. Deta ils are> below in Tom McMahon's e-mail. I missed this ride last year becaus e I> was out of town that weekend, but I definitely plan to be there this> year, and I hope to see some of you in the CR/BVVW crowd.> > The last time I did the ride two years ago, we had mostly an assortment> of lugged steel,
   with quite a few Bridgestone/Rivendell bikes and some> other vintage/KOF b ikes.> > Skinny tires are not recommended -- 700x28C tires should be all ri ght,> but wider is better. The trail is packed dirt, pretty well-maintained ,> but can be rough in places, covered with stones or tree roots. I'll be> on 27x1 1/4" Panaracer Pasela TG's inflated to about 50-55 psi. > > This is
   a social ride -- no one gets dropped. And it's quite flat, with> the excep tion of one short hill. If at any point you don't want to> continue, you're
   close to a Metro-North station to get you back to the> city.> > Mordecai S ilver> NYC > > -----Original Message-----> From: Tom McMahon [mailto:myibob email@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:43 PM> To: iBOB bob> S ubject: The Fourth Annual NYC-area iBOB Ruff Stuff ride!> > Hi Gang,> > I'm
   a bit late on it this year, we usually shoot for mid-late October,> but be tter late than never, eh? So, it's once again time for another> Fall Classi c: The Fourth Annual NYC-area iBOB Ruff Stuff ride up the Old> Croton Aqued uct Trail, on Sunday, November 18th.> > The OCA trail is a dirt path set at op the 1830's aqueduct that runs from> the Croton Dam down to NYC. It's fla t, almost all hardpack and gravel,> peaceful and pretty. It's about 30 mile s long, one way. Lots to see -> ruins, mansions, forests, suburban backyard s, Son of Sam's secret seance> spot, Sing-Sing Prison, and the infamous Ram bou-gobbling Bridge of> Sighs! > Google it for lots more history, or e-mail
   me for what little I know.> > The itinerary will be the same as always. We 'll meet at 8am at the info> kiosk in the center of Grand Central Station, take the IRT 4 subway to> Woodlawn, pick up the trail in nearby Van Cortlan d Park, and ride on up.> We'll pick up lunch to-go at a deli in Ossining (b ring bags or a> musette), and carry it up the trail another 5-6 miles until
   we literally> hit the wall at Croton Dam Park. There, we'll eat lunch, han g around a> while (bring an extra layer or jacket, it may be cooler than in
   years> past) and then head back down the trail to Ossining (at least, we c an> continue further south, or not) for Metro North train back to Grand> Ce ntral.> > Equipment? Well, a buddy of mine did it on his Litespeed with 700
   x 23's> once, but said he wouldn't wanna try it again. Goon K. usually goe s> fixed on his Quickbeam, I'm sure Mordecai will do the same if either can
> make it. Though it's far from "technical" MTBing, there are scattered> ro ugh spots and loose patches, some exposed roots, and a lotta curb> hops, so
   a set of reasonably chubby tires are a good idea. > Other than that, anyth ing goes, whatever works, - road, 'cross, MTBs,> new stuff, old stuff, one gear or 30...> > Since the trail runs pretty much parallel to Metro North's
   Hudson Line,> there are lots of options available. We're never more than a
   few miles> from a railroad station, so you can take a train or drive up pa rt of the> way, meet us somewhere along the trail, and bail out almost anyw here.> You oughta have (they ask, sometimes) a $5 MTA bike pass - if you do n't> have one, I'm pretty sure you can purchase it at the station that> mor ning, or e-mail me in advance and I'll pick one for up you (I work> just a couple blocks away).> > It's always a good time, and I'm sure that traditio n will continue. It> may be a bit cooler, due to the later date, but the fa ll foliage should> be in full bloom, so it'll be prettier. Note - heavy rai ns that leave> the trail mostly muddy will cause postponement. I'll post an y updates> here.> > Hope to see you there!> > > Tom McMahon> New York City>
   > > > > > This email is intended for the recipient only. If you are not th e intend> ed recipient please disregard, and do not use the information for
   any pur> pose.> > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:45:47 -0800 (PST)> From: Guy Taylor <guy.taylor@sbcglobal.net>> To: Clas sic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Frame Re-Fini shing Question> Message-ID: <780863.94585.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C263406D817FB@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com>>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content -Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence: list> Message: 6> > Having recently a cquired a frame that needs re-finishing I have a couple questions regarding
   the process.> The frame has been powdercoated. Will beadblasting safely re move that finish? I am assuming that sandblasting would be too harsh to the
   lug edges.> If beadblasting is the way to go, does anyone have a good shop
   they have worked with in the Orange County, CA area?> I'm not too concerne d with doing a perfect restoration. I got this LeJeune to set up as a fixed
   gear. At some point in the frame's life it had braze-on fittings added. Th ose were removed before I got the frame but the finish in those areas is go ne and I'd like to take the chance to get at least a fair finish on the fra me while I'm searching for a French headset and BB.> > Thank you, Guy Taylo r> Anaheim, CA USA> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> m ultipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ----- -------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:09:45 -0500> From: "e hbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>> To: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.n et>,> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]More on those Bott le cage braze ons> Message-ID: <005f01c820c1$be0bf210$6400a8c0@OFFICE1>> Re ferences: <001101c8206d$d6f0ab80$84d20280$@net>> Content-Type: text/plain;f ormat=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version : 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 7> > I a m the original owner of a custom built 1975 Jim Redcay. Equipped with > bra ze on shift levers, water bottle and brake cable guides. All his > recommen dations..It is in the process of beeing restored. Waiting on some > period correct decals. Trained and raced on this bike from 1975 to 1990. It > will
   once again be a beauty.....Jim's attention to detail was supperb...> > Ed Busch> Vonore - Tennessee - USA> Originall a Jersey Boy> > ----- Original M essage ----- > From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>> To: <classi crendezvous@bikelist.org>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:09 AM> Subjec t: [CR]More on those Bottle cage braze ons> > > > In the catalogs or flyers
   of the period Carlsbad Masi offered such items > > as> > water bottle cage
   or top tube cable braze ons as a $10 option. My feeling> > is that by the early 1970s one could get pretty much what they wanted on> > many bikes.> >
> > Off to Henry Ford Museum today with my grandson to see the> > Noguchi/B uckminster Fuller exhibit and maybe a few bikes, too.> >> > Tom Sanders> >>
   > Lansing, MI USA> >> >> >> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts
   ---> > multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> > text/htm l> > ---> > _______________________________________________> > Classicrende zvous mailing list> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > http://www.bikelist .org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > > > > -------------------------- ----> > Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:21:56 -0500> From: sgshaw@aol.com> To: cl assicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Cali Masi listed on Ebay> Messag e-ID: <8C9EEDA9360640A-608-436F@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type:
   text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Enco ding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 8> > No relation to the seller.? Ite m number: ? 330185309323> > > > > > 330185309323> > > > > > > The part of t he description that tickled me was this:> > "made in usa by the worlds grea test cali builders before they died off."> > Brian are you still kicking?>
> Steve Shaw> Millbury, MA USA> > _________________________________________ _______________________________> Email and AIM finally together. You've got ta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com> > > --- StripMime Report
   -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 No v 2007 17:36:25 -0500> From: "Wayne Bingham" <blkmktbks@gmail.com>> To: "Cl assic Rendezvous Bike List" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR] Masi Pista> Message-ID: <73706f460711061436g40a37f90hedcd0b4e4deb9f4e@mail. gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1 .0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 9> > I have
   been flooded with inquiries about the Masi I posted for sale> today. Not r eally sure how to separate the questions from the real> offers to buy. I wi ll try and sort all that out this evening and> reply accordingly in the ord er in which I received the posts.> > Thanks for your patience.> > Wayne Bin gham> Lovettsville VA USA> ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 N ov 2007 20:54:08 -0500> From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net>> To: "Scot t Loveless" <sdloveless@gmail.com>,> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subj ect: Re: [CR]gearing on classic racing bicycles> Message-ID: <004601c820e1$ 17067a10$1214fbd1@Newhouse>> References: <2c44384d0711060905x344a42d3i27a87 44196ec74d@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charse t="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transf er-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 10> > My cambio Corsa bikes t ypically have single chainrings of 46 or 47 with > 4-speed freewheels of 15 /17/19/21, 16/18/20/22, or 17/19/21/23.> > Aldo Ross> Middletown, Ohio> Eta ts Unis> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Loveless" <sdloveles s@gmail.com>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Sent: Tuesday, November
   06, 2007 12:05 PM> Subject: [CR]gearing on classic racing bicycles> > > > Hey, gang.> >> > I've been unsuccessful finding the answers I'm looking for , most> > likely due to looking in the wrong places. Going through some of the> > photos at the L'eroica site I see some pictures of bicycles equipped
> > with Campy Cambio Corsa deraillers. It looks like these probably had> >
   3 rear sprockets. Can anyone tell me what a typical setup would have> > be en? I'm interested in the number of sprockets and the tooth count> > on the
   sprockets and chainwheel.> >> > Thanks a bunch. Much appreciated. Please l et me know if I need to> > clarify anything.> >> > -- > > Scott Loveless> >
   New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA> > > > ------------------------------> >
   Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:59:42 -0500> From: "Bob Hovey" <bobhoveyga@aol.co m>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Masi Special pista f or sale on ebay> Message-ID: <004401c820ea$4224e750$6401a8c0@bobhovey>> Ref erences: <MONKEYFOODtWrwuVjtQ000020c1@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> Content-Typ e: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 11> > RE: http://ebay.com/<blah em=22016851125> 8&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012>> > > Tam writes:> >
   Some off-list chatter has brought my attention to the fork and its crown,>
   which does not look like a product from Masi in design or construction. It
> would be prudent for those who are seriously interested in the bike to as k> the seller if he could provide information on any markings on the steere r> tube, and perhaps some additional close-up photos of the crown.> > It se ems to me that a '72 Masi Special Pista would most likely have a> twin-plat e fork originally?> > Tam Pham> Huntington Beach, CA - USA> > > > I'm fairl y certain the fork is legitimate and original... I've seen this cro> wn on one other Masi Pista from this period. Only one? Well, the fact that> this crown has not appeared with more frequency is no real mystery... first> off , there just aren't that many Masi Pistas around, at least not the kind > o f numbers you see with road bikes... so getting a reasonably large pool of
> examples from any given year is difficult at best. Second, it's no secret
   t> hat Faliero never passed up a good deal on parts, so it should not surp rise > anyone that a crown would appear for a year or two and then disappea r... sam> e thing occurred with the "faux" twinplate of 1972 and the side-w indowed lug> s in 1969-70.> > I agree it would be interesting to know if th e steering tube has a stamp. I> talian Masis frequently have a frame size s tamp on the steerer, and often a > date (mostly on '69-74 bikes) and occasi onally you'll see a brake reach code> on early 70's road forks.> > Other de tails on the bike place it pretty firmly in the period that the sell> er st ated, around 1972. Some details do not show in the photos, but anyone > who 's seen the bike may remember at least one significant feature, the overs> ize triangular window in the downtube socket of the BB. This detail was com
> monplace on frames from about 71-73 and aside from one or two examples on
   '7> 4 bikes, does not show up at all after that. This is not to say that a ll Ma> sis from 71-73 will have this large window... bikes from this era ha d the us> ual oval, plus small triangles and an ellipse or two. But the lar ge triangl> e itself is exclusive to this period.> > While nailing the spec ific date of this bike may be difficult, I think one c> an rule out with co mplete certainty that it might be from the Alberto era. > Alberto's "alphab et soup" of frame size prefixes that began in 1974 were nea> rly always two
   letters and almost never repeated. Prefixes from the Faliero> era were mos t often (though not always) single letters and were restricted > to a relat ively small pool of letters that repeated with some frequency. In> addition , Alberto began placing a date right underneath the frame size (in > a smal ler 1/8" tall stamp) around 1974. At first it was just a single digit> , a "4," but in 1975 he began using a two-digit year followed by a single or> t wo digit month (written as one three or four digit number, no space). Whi> le not all Alberto bikes have these date stamps, the ones that do not are r a> re.> > While I do believe this bike to be genuine and well worth bidding
   on, in the> interest of fairness I should point out one anomaly concerning
   the paint. > As far as I know, Faliero never exhibited any sort of fondnes s for all-chrom> e forks... the forks were chromed up past the crown but he
   always painted ov> er everything but the crown and dropouts. I believe I m ay have one bike in > my photo archive that has a fully-chromed fork that t he (original) owner say> s was done that way at his request so it is quite possible that the all-chom> e fork seen here is the original configuration.
> > On the other hand, I must say that it is very common for folks to strip
   a Ma> si for a repaint and see all that chrome underneath and think, "Oh, that's j> ust too cool, I'm gonna leave it like that" ... I know of at leas t six repai> nts that have the all-chrome fork "treatment."> > But let me e mphasize this, lest there be a misunderstanding. Yes, the usual> practice w as for the entire fork to be chromed, then the blades were painte> d, leavi ng the dropout flats and the crown exposed. But seeing an all-chrom> e fork
   is by no means proof of a repaint... there are at least two other pos> sib ilities. It is easy to envision someone walking into the Vigorelli and s> e eing a pile of chromed forks, liking the look and perhaps asking that the b
> ike he was being fitted for be delivered with an unpainted fork. Another po> ssibility is that an original-paint bike that was otherwise pristine ha d the> paint stripped off the fork because of scratches or flaking (remembe r, pain> t usually does not stick to chrome as well as it does to plain ste el... I'm > sure we've all seen paint flake off of the chromed portions of a frame befor> e it does so elsewhere).> > Sorry to go on at such length, b ut I've gotten six emails about this bike to> day and I figure it's easier to post here than answer individually. Oh, one> more thing... a few folks h ave asked about the seller/broker because nobody> seems to recognize this g uy's eBay handle. Yes, the current owner is listi> ng the bike through a br oker/friend... I can attest to the fact that there i> s nothing shady about
   the deal, the owner is a listmember whose reputation a> s a collector and as a person is beyond reproach. Judging by how seldom he > emails me and ho w few photos he's sent me of the bikes in his fabulous colle> ction, my gue ss is he's just a really slow typist and lousy photographer who> finds it e asier to turn the listing chores over to someone else. ;-)> > Bob Hovey> Co lumbus, GA> http://bhovey.com/masi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime
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>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Pr ecedence: list> Message: 12> > With respect to the Masi Special track bike that I outed previously: see > http://tinyurl.com/yu33jy> > In response to the question:> > " I'm curious about how the bike was dated to '72 if anyon e has some > insight to offer."> > Tam offered the following:> > "Some off- list chatter has brought my attention to the fork and its > crown,> which d oes not look like a product from Masi in design or construction. > It> woul d be prudent for those who are seriously interested in the bike to > ask> t he seller if he could provide information on any markings on the > steerer>
   tube, and perhaps some additional closeup photos of the crown.> > It seems
   to me that a '72 Masi Special Pista would most likely have a> twin-plate f ork originally?"> > Tam, > > I do not claim to be an expert on Masi bikes ( nor do I play one on TV), > but I simply do not see anything inconsistent w ith a 1972 production > date with the fork crown seen on the bike. It appea rs to be the original > fork to me, as does the paint. As you rightly state d, I have indeed > asked the seller to pull the fork to verify whether or n ot there is a > date stamp on it. My guess is that it will be late 71 - ear ly 74 vintage > if the fork is indeed dated. A lack of a date stamp would h owever, > unfortunately, not necessarily disqualify the bike as being all o riginal > from Masi as there were some non-marked frames. > > As far as neg ative off-list chatter goes, I would be interested to hear > what is being said. All I have heard from all the dependable East coast > 'experts' has b een highly complementary with no doubts expressed > whatsoever by anybody. I hope therefore that you are not relying on > information from a questiona ble source in Boston, as I hear that he has > contacted at least one potent ial bidder suggesting that he not bid > because of so-called dubious reliab ility of the information. In my > opinion, if it is indeed the person who I
   expect, I would guess it to be > much more likely that he simply has desig ns on the bike himself and is > trying to lowball the bike for his own pers onal gain. It wouldn't be the > first time that he has resorted to such tac tics.> > I look forward to seeing what the fork steer tube reveals...> > St even Maasland> Moorestown, NJ> USA> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIM E parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/ht ml> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:28:37 - 0600> From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikeli st.org>> Subject: [CR]Rained today ...> Message-ID: <001001c820ee$49b8eb20$ 0202a8c0@Leo>> References: <MONKEYFOODtWrwuVjtQ000020c1@monkeyfood.nt.phred .org>> <004401c820ea$4224e750$6401a8c0@bobhovey>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Versio n: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > . .. what better thing to do than vote early (in the dark).> > ... came back latter, what better else to do than try a take a bike out in > the mist. si nce i had to stop Bextra a ways back, this wasn't probabaly a > good idea. it wasn't.> > ... coasted to the bottom of the local hill. stopped, clicked
   out, off > with shoes an socks (don't want to get any one dirty there) and
   walked back > up the slope.> > ... it's over. love the arthritis and asthm a meds, and the booze. sales > forthcoming ?> > rc> alex, va 22308 > > ---- --------------------------> > Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:56:39 -0800> From: "Jay S." <jvs@sonic.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR] WTB stronglight 49d / Universal mod 61> Message-ID: <47313777.3020602@sonic .net>> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODAOPpBpcXC00002166@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> References: <MONKEYFOODAOPpBpcXC00002166@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> Content- Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> MIME-Version: 1.0>
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 14> > Howdy,>
> Any one out there in c.r. land have a single Universal Mod. 61 caliper > they would be willing to part with? Need one in 60-70 mm reach. > Willing t o pay $.> > Looking for a used up no good Stronglight 49D 52 or 53 outer ch ain > ring. I plan on turning the teeth off and making it a cuff guard oute r > ring for my bastard of a Grand Record fixed gear.> > Thanks!> > Jay Sex ton> Sebastopol, CA> ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 200 7 20:01:57 -0800 (PST)> From: Larry Myers <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>> To: c lassicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Dating an Ideor 'Asso' ...help!
> Message-ID: <523864.5767.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: t ext/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encodi ng: 8bit> Precedence: list> Message: 15> > Hi, Gang-> > > I am working on m y Ideor 'Asso', and a number of questions about it have come to mind...> > 1) The serial # is 335077...is it possible to date the bike from this, or i s it just another vintage Italian enigma?> 2) It has an early Canpagnolo he adset; the only exterior marking is a '6', on one of the headset adjustable
   cup's wrench flats- is this of any help?> 3) The Magistroni 'Senior' cotte red crank arms have a '6' stamped on the backside of the l.h. arm.> 4) The bike is 'Cromovelato' red- all chrome, w/ red lacquer sprayed over it; chro me lugs, seat tube panel, and forks/stays (1/2 way).> > Any insight would b e appreciated!> > Larry Myers> Portland, OR, USA> > > > ___________________ _______________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail
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