Hello I have a '72 P13 Chrome That I purchased new. Winemann sidepulls came standard $50 extra for Campy sidepulls. A few years ago on club ride I came across another rider with a '72 P15 chrome same size frame 25 inch. I was interested in geometry differences, in comparing the bikes visually I found: More rake in the fork on the P15. Longer Chainstays on the P15. Angles seemed to be close to the same.
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Tom Dusky Huntington Woods MI
> OK. So the frame materials are the same -- but what about the
> geometry?
> Was there any difference between the frame of the "racing" P-13
> and the
> "touring" P-15, other than dropout eyelets?
>
> David
>
> David G. White
> Burlington, VT
>
> Matthew T Churches wrote:
>> David,
>> The P13 and P15 Paramounts materials were the same of that era
>> (Nervex
>> lugs and Reynolds 531 frame with Campagnolo droupouts). The P15 came
>> set up as a triple crank and often with centerpull brakes, 27"
>> clincher wheelsets, a wider range freewheel and different rear
>> derailleur. The P15 also has eyelets on the front and rear were the
>> P13 does not.
>> I want a P15 to go with the P13 (two right now) and the P14 I
>> currently own.
>> Matt Churches
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> David G. White writes:
>>> I'm researching the differences between the P-13 and P-15 circa
>>> 1972.
>>> The Waterford website has a Paramount history that includes the
>>> following:
>>> Paramounts grew to five models:
>>> * P-10 - Deluxe Paramount - designed for non-competition road
>>> riding
>>> and included front and rear eyelets, 27 x 1 1/4" clincher tires
>>> and Weinmann center pull brakes. It usually came with
>>> Campagnolo
>>> Record components. You could order it with Campy side pulls
>>> and/or
>>> custom geometry as an option.
>>> * P-11 - Paramount Tourist - designed for upright bars and
>>> recreational rides. It was available on a special order basis
>>> only. The ladies version was designated P61.
>>> * P-12 - This was the old designator for the Paramount Racer -
>>> now
>>> becoming the P10.
>>> * P-13 - Road Racing Paramount - designed for competition, this
>>> model came with tubulars and Campy sidepulls stock.
>>> * P-14 - Track - Full Campy track components including wide
>>> flange
>>> hubs and tubular tired wheels.
>>> * P-15 - Deluxe Paramount with 15 speeds (triple front
>>> chainrings).
>>> Start with the P-10 and add a wide gear range (generally a
>>> Shimano
>>> or Huret) long cage derailleur.
>>> My question is: circa 1972 was there any difference between the
>>> frame
>>> of the P-13 and the P-15 (tubing, geometry, etc)? Or were the
>>> differences solely with regard to the equipment with which the bike
>>> was built?
>>> Best,
>>> David
>>> David G. White
>>> Burlington, VT