Re: [CR]Re: Derny

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From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "Hilary Stone" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>, "Mitch Harris" <mitch.harris@gmail.com>
References: <8801bb250711101021s3b5742am5323b4fd24cf2574@mail.gmail.com> <180153.18102.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8801bb250711101226h11e974b4l30123c5360e958db@mail.gmail.com> <473707F5.50308@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Derny
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:54:11 -0800
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cc: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
cc: Classicrendezvous

I remember the same as ALL of you. Longer ago it was either the"BIG" motors, or Derny. and nothing really in between. As time rolled on, the old machines were discontinued, worn out or changed for whatever purpose suited the riders and track. These later years saw fewer original conversions and far more newer motors being used because the old stuff just wasn't around. It was great seeing all the response and all the sites with various motors, configurations, and events.
Thanks, guys.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Hilary Stone
To: Mitch Harris
Cc: Fred Rednor


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Derny


> Derny was the name of a specific company that manufactured Entraineurs
> (used to pace bicycles in certain road races and on the track) and for
> training. They also made other machines for touring and a tandem for
> touring as well as something that was close to being a moped. Modern
> Dernys are still being made in Europe with I think mostly Steyr Puch
> motors. The rules governing the design and construction of these machines
> have not changed significantly over the years and do not allow for any
> variation in design. They do not have rollers. Only the full size pacing
> motorbikes have rollers. Many tracks do have have adapted motorcycles for
> training and many have rollers but these are not Dernys in any sense of
> the word.
>
> Please some pictures I posted at:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/hilarystone/Derny/
>
> These pictures apart from the model are from the Boneshaker article on
> Dernys.
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
> Mitch Harris wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > > No, Dernys do not have a roller -
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps not typically (?) but I've ridden a lot of miles
>>> > behind different dernys that were fitted with rollers in
>>> > back.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the bone of contention here is that there are the
>>> orginal dernies, made in France by the Derny brothers, and
>>> there are "generic dernies" made by others. It's like Kleenex
>>> and kleenex, or Hoover and hoover. (Or bespoke vs. Bespoke,
>>> for that matter.) Perhaps none of this will make sense, unless
>>> you are both a native English speaker and a long time member of
>>> the CR list. (If you're confused, I can explain off-list.)
>>
>> Perhaps the difference is an aftermarket change. Another difference is
>> that my experience is out-of-timeline (late 80s/90s) with small fleets
>> of otherwise identical Dernys in Europe where some of them had the
>> roller and some not. The roller looked like something that could have
>> been added. Hilary's information would suggest that Dernys were not
>> supplied stock with rollers.
>>
>> Mitch Harris
>> Little Rock Canyon, Utah