Grated squash, couple eggs, two tablespoons of flour, tiny bit of Cayenne pepper, grated onion. Make them thin so the squash will cook. I love them with Pork Chops from the center loin. Want recipes for squash and pumpkin soups? let me know and I'll send them along..
Tom
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: For Sale: Ephgrave #1 1950s vintage 2. re: early guerciotti on ebay (Charles Andrews) 3. 1950 Brit bike accessories what were used regularly? (Dr. Paul Williams) 4. re: Ephgrave for sale (Charles Andrews) 5. Re: 1950 Brit bike accessories what were used regularly? (John Betmanis) 6. vredestein tubulars. (jeffrey piwonka) 7. Dugast web site (Simon PJ) 8. Re: (now) Campy Ft der model question (was) unusual early guerciotti 9. WTB 80s Zeus shift levers (Scott Edrington) 10. Paramount lugs, BB's, lining, etc. (nelson miller) 11. WTB Stronglight left crankarm (nelson miller) 12. Re: FS: Sears Free Spirit-Ted Williams-531-frame/fork (Robert Clair) 13. Huret Allvit setup (Harvey Sachs) 14. Wanted: Pre-war parts for a 1934-35 Hetchins. (Peter Naiman) 15. Do Cats Love Bikes ? (Robert Clair) 16. Unknown Rider (John Pergolizzi)
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:51 -0500 From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com To: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]For Sale: Ephgrave #1 1950s vintage Message-ID: <OFC74D7735.6CA6655E-ON85257399.006F8520-85257399.006FC5F1@gm.com> In-Reply-To: <005601c82baf$9f3b1660$6501a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
Charles,
That is a lovely bike. Are those real lugs or are they bi-laminations?
Too tall for me, besides it is not Italian, Marcus Helman Huntington Woods, MI
I wanted to offer this to the list first. An elegant Ephgrave #1 from the 1950s. 23" c-t
Picture link below.
this bike is set up in very interesting period style, with some cool parts, including:
Brooks B-17 Champion narrow saddle Stainless Weinmann shorty fenders cool old Benelux Campagnolo knock-off derailleur Cyclo shifter Durax cottered cranks in very nice shape. GB steel stem and alloy front wheel nuts Period allez pedals with Cyclo Oppy clips Dunlop Stainless steel lightweight 27" rims (very, VERY cool) Gnutti hubs
I'm selling the bike as it came to me, and from the looks of it, other than the quite nice repaint (appears to be an Argos job, but I don't know for sure..someone in England did it), it is as it was in about 1958 or thereabouts..other than the new-condition Continental Sport tires.
The pics don't begin to give the effect of the paint-job, which is a truly jewel-like candy red. It's very attractive, esp. in sunlight.
There is one caveat to this bike. It appears it is ever so slightly tweeked in the front end. I feel a very slight bulge under the down-tube, by the lug. This bike was sold to me with no information given on that subject. I only found out about it later, after my own inspection. Long story. If it was tweeked, the effect was very mild.. however, I would take it apart, and have the frame carefully aligned, were I going to keep it.
But, the bike is for sale. A photo link is below. What you see is what you get.
$1200 shipped in the lower 48 or best offer. Any members across the Pond who would like to buy it, I'm happy to ship to the UK or some parts of Europe, but you will pay actual shipping.
I will be in and out of touch for the next few days, if you don't hear from me right away, please be patient.
http://www.flickr.com/
Charles Andrews Los Angeles
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:21:19 -0800 From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re: early guerciotti on ebay Message-ID: <006d01c82bb2$e97410d0$6501a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
Randy dugan wrote:
not mine, item number 120185969690. since it's a buy-it-now, i don't feel bad pointing it out to the group. i have a soft spot for these, and i think guerciottis of this era are pretty rare... the later pre-ten-speed-drive-imports graphics, but with clamp on cable guides and pre-portacatena dropouts and metallic root beer paint - about 1975-6 maybe? plus, this one has some unusual panto pieces and appears to be very complete and original. if it were a 58, it would be a done deal...
cheers,
randy dugan van nuys, ca usa
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I remember when I was about 16, and desperately wanted a Masi GC. I almost bought one then too, with every last penny I possessed, from a shop in Colorado. They tried to sell me a Guerciotti for less, but a Masi was what I wanted. For some reason, now lost to history, I decided not to buy the Masi..but I'm very glad I didn't buy the Guerciotti, because those bikes, in the early 70s, suffered from lousy workmanship. I've seen several since, and owned a couple, and while I, like Randy, have a soft-spot for them, they really are--cosmetically, at least--embarrassing. Every one I ever saw had cracked decals right from the factory, orange-peel paint in one place or another, and the lug work was crude. They may have been perfectly fine bikes..although one I had for awhile, and rode some, felt kinda dead to me in this weird way, can't tell you why, but nothing like a Colnago Super or Masi GC of the same period.
I would love to own a very early one, with the older graphics package that is almost never seen (probably late 60s, but I don't know for sure..)..except, wouldn't ya know it, the one I know of, the only one I've ever seen, has a cracked bb shell, and given the overall condition of the bike (practically pristine original), such a thing could only be the result of sloppy brazing.
Sad. They coulda been a nice bike, if someone had given more of a damn.
Charles Andrews Los Angeles
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:34:36 -0500 From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1950 Brit bike accessories what were used regularly? Message-ID: <01fd01c82bb4$c4320820$0300a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
I have been watching a number of items on ebay for my late-40s early-50s British rebuild and have been struggling to try to determine which of the many accessories were actually used by most riders. I know that mudguards were used and were removed for racing but how many of you from that era used cyclometers? Did you fit bells? What about lights, reflectors? etc. What sort of bottles and cages did you fit? Saddle bags? Etc.
It would seem that if you kitted a bike out with all of those accessories it would be rather cluttered. Maybe there was a distinction between bikes for club-riding and racing?
I am keen to here from our British brethren who rode the bikes of the time.
Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:38:05 -0800 From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re: Ephgrave for sale Message-ID: <009301c82bb5$40d7f970$6501a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
One additional note I forgot to add to my for-sale listing.
If I sell the bike locally, the price is $999. So if you live anywhere within reasonable driving distance of greater Los Angeles, and you'd like to purchase the bike, let me know.
Best offer, local or distant, gets the bike.
Best,
Charles Andrews Los Angeles
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:30:16 -0500 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]1950 Brit bike accessories what were used regularly? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20071120173016.0155fa28@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <01fd01c82bb4$c4320820$0300a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
At 03:34 PM 20/11/2007 -0500, Dr. Paul Williams wrote:
>I have been watching a number of items on ebay for my late-40s early-50s
>British rebuild and have been struggling to try to determine which of
>the many accessories were actually used by most riders. I know that
>mudguards were used and were removed for racing but how many of you from
>that era used cyclometers? Did you fit bells? What about lights,
>reflectors? etc. What sort of bottles and cages did you fit? Saddle
>bags? Etc.
I got a cyclometer for my Hercules, but didn't keep it on too long because I couldn't stand the ticking. Would never have put something like that on my Claud.
The little aluminum ping-ping bells mounted on the stem were popular with club riders and were often used in unison to attract the attention of comely females as well as just ringing them just for the hell of it. They were also required by the time trials rules and probably the law.
Front and back lights and a rear reflector mounted on a white background were required by law from 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise. You would have lights on your bike if you expected to be out when they were required. The usual front light was a 4.5 volt battery one mounted on the front fork bracket but I remember one character in the club who liked to use an old carbide lamp, which was really bright. Rear lights were usually ones with a couple of 1.5 volt C or D cells that would clamp to the seatstay. Many of us wouldn't do that because it chipped the paint and attached them to our saddlebags. This type of mounting was illegal and sometimes got us in trouble with the constabulary.
Most clubmen used saddle bags, Brooks or Wrights if I recall, some made of heavy canvas with plastic trim and some of immitation leather. You would carry food, tools, etc. and maybe extra clothing, with a yellow rain cape rolled up on top. The loops on the saddle were not enough to really support the bags, so they were also held up by a support clamped above the brake bridge.
This was for your normal club runs, because you stopped for elevenses, lunch and tea. If you weren't bringing lunch, you might just have your cape strapped behind your saddle. Rolled up inside the cape would be your tools rolled up in your cheesecutter. (For those not familiar with the term, a cheesecutter is a corduroy cap, worn when it rained. The greasy tools made it waterproof over time.)
Before I rode with a club, I had a pair of aluminum water bottles on the handlebars of my Hercules, but I found most people didn't take water bottles on club runs. However, the BLRC bunch and other would-be roadracers didn't carry most of the baggage mentioned above. They had a water bottle on the frame, tubs strapped under the saddle and a bonk bag (mussette) over the shoulder.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]vredestein tubulars. Message-ID: <7834.36720.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
i like the ride of the vredestein clinchers, fortezza and volante, i'm curious about their tubs.
as far as their tubulars: the fortezza pro tricomp is $60 the volante pro tricomp is $30
i'm wondering if they rode well, how long they lasted and if they flatted. What was the casing, and did they glue on well? were they bumpy?
none of the shops here carry them so i cant feel them before i buy, i'll have to order them. currently riding polyamide casing sprinters...22mm.
Thanks, Jeff Piwonka austin, texas usa ------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:48:46 +0000 From: Simon PJ <simonpj@mac.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Dugast web site Message-ID: <C36914CE.438E0%simonpj@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <c6d151100711180908s29776509yde3b6a35767e5d82@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Thanks for all the replies to my question about sources for 'fat tubulars'.
I was able to find a web site for Dugast, that appears to provide an on-line sales facility:
http://www.a-dugast.com/
A nice site that shows an intention to build the business through direct contact with cycling enthusiasts.
I have placed an order, which in effect is like sending an email to them requesting the required items. I received a reply saying that they would follow up with me to confirm and complete the transaction but have not heard anything after a couple of days. I'll report back...
Wyndham Pulman-Jones Girton, Cambs., UK.
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:19:43 EST From: TADCPDAJD@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR](now) Campy Ft der model question (was) unusual early guerciotti Message-ID: <bc6.1e501e39.3474c58f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Tom Dalton wrote: <snip> "I've wondered for a long time if Campy ever made a CPSC-compliant Record ft. derailleur that had no holes. I had thought that the 4-hole front was the first CPSC-compliant Record front, and that the model on this Guerciotti was the first CPSC-compliant Gran Sport..." <snip>
I don't have the answer to your question, but I might be able to add a data
point. I am now looking at three campagnolo front ders: pre-circlip flat cage, holeless cage with lip (as on the Guerchiotti), and three-hole cage. The first two look very much alike (except for the lip). The third one, which I believe is SR because of the black swing arms, has a front clamp section with smaller points above and below the CAMPAGNOLO, and is also without the pebbled background around the name. The earlier two both have a more substantial rear clamp section. The first two have the "world" logo, while the latter has the "shield" logo. There seems to be no other difference between the first than the lip. The latter two, with the lipped cages, also seem very much alike, to me, other than the logo, holes, clamp differences, and width of rear end of cage (the SR cage moves out further from the fixing bolt than the earlier models). The bike-side of the inside cage plate of all three are stamped BREV. CAMPAGNOLO. What should I look for that would tell me the second of these derailleurs is a Gran Sport? Hope I didn't add to the confusion. Tom Donahue Melbourne, FL
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:23:31 +0000 From: "Scott Edrington" <scott@edrington.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB 80s Zeus shift levers Message-ID: <W1357217283631195601011@webmail31> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
I'm looking for a set of shift levers for early 80s Zeus; My frame was made for braze-on shifters but should be able to use levers from Criterium, 2000 or 2001.
http://www.wooljersey.com/
Happy Thanksgiving
Scott Edrington San Diego CA
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:59:46 -0800 From: nelson miller <nelsmiller@msn.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Paramount lugs, BB's, lining, etc. Message-ID: <BAY116-W137682EEA61160AABC41C7C27F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Group--
Just to add a bit to this discussion, I have a 1974 Paramount with the usua l chrome Nervex Pro's. However, it was sent back to the factory to have a cracked bottom bracket replaced -- with one branded "Cinelli". (I am told that this was a fairly common occurance, and was covered completely under t heir lifetime warranty.) It was repainted after this repair, and the then current (1977-78 decal set was applied -- with the word "Paramount" placed on the top tube. The interesting thing of the whole story is that it still has the lovely lug lining that is out just a bit from the chrome/lugs. This lining is present on all of the lugs, including the BB. This would indica te to me that there was still someone around there who could do this type o f lining in the 1977ish period? I just wish they had put the proper decals on it... :-(
Cheers--- Nelson Miller // Seattle, WA // USA
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:05:08 -0800 From: nelson miller <nelsmiller@msn.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WTB Stronglight left crankarm Message-ID: <BAY116-W16E0CA55F86689B8F4470AC2780@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
Group--
Does anybody out there have a Stronglight 49D type alloy left crankarm -- 1 70 length -- French (preferred) or English thread -- that they would like t o part with? Please contact off-line at: nelsmiller@msn.com
Thanks!
Nelson Miller // Seattle, WA // USA
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:10:29 -0600 From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net> To: <mikel66132@juno.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]FS: Sears Free Spirit-Ted Williams-531-frame/fork Message-ID: <004c01c82bd2$ed553510$0202a8c0@Leo> References: <20071120.121121.15171.2@webmail13.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12
... dang, that's a big drink of water !!!
list fellow has one of these, but this one may need a step-ladder. good
luck !
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:35:05 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> To: youngc@ptd.net, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Huret Allvit setup Message-ID: <47437D39.1070909@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Message: 13
Charlie Young wrote: <snip>
CY: I'm in the process of setting up my first Huret Allvit gear train. NMind you, it is not the first I've ridden a bike so equipped, just the first time assembling same. Are the friction cups on the shifters best run dry or with a light coating of grease or oil? They appear to have been dry when last in service.
CY: The RD is the more modern model with two detents for tensioning the spring for amount of takeup instead of the 1961 model four with four. While I expect that I can figure it out, which of the two provide the greatest amount of chainwrap?
HS: Chain wrap will be determined by chain length relative to cog sizes, chain stay length, etc. The detents just control the spring tension. I never found much difference, but I'm not an Allvit fan..
CY: Finally, are these components as wonderful as Frank Berto holds them to be in The Dancing Chain? Judging from their sparsity among photographs of vintage lightweights of the era on the web, they seem to have been the decidely poor cousins to the Campagnolo Gran Sport in the 1960's. As a second-tier frame (and inanimate object), my Rotrax Shirley is unlikely to care...
HS: I started working with the Allvit in '62 or so, and have always marveled at the industrial elegance and stupidity of the design. It's almost all sheet metal, so easy to produce by the gadzillions. BUT, I've never used a "modern" rd that was more finicky about the 4-5 and 5-4 (outer cogs) shifting. This was at the point of minimum tension of the spring that opposed cable movement, and where the maximum amount of sheet metal (virtually) rubbed against adjacent parts of the parallelogram. Formula for dirt to do its worst to shifting. I'd personally rather carry a spare Simplex Prestige than use an Allvit rear. Oddly, I got very fond of various iterations of the Allvit front.
harvey sachs mcLean va.
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Wanted: Pre-war parts for a 1934-35 Hetchins. Message-ID: <459414.79260.qm@web38114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 14
I'm in search of the following parts to rebuild a 1934-35 Hetchins, but I'd rather they be used looking as when I finish building the cycle I want to reflect an unrestored cycle of the era. The frame could well use restoration, but it has evidence of very rare transfer that were unknown until this frame surfaced.
I need preferably a Brooks seat, chain set with pedals, preferably both Chater lea, wing nuts, head clip, and hopefully a pair of Bluemels "clear" celluloid fenders.
Regards, Peter Naiman Glendale, WI
P.S. As far as the thought of getting out of collecting, that was a temporary moment this Summer that has passed. I'll see everyone in Virginia with my unrestored Hetchins Trio, and my 1934-35 Hetchins being rebuilt presently, and possibly my full chrome unrestored Hetchins Anglo Continental Special.
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:17:18 -0600 From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net> To: "classic rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Do Cats Love Bikes ? Message-ID: <000b01c82bdc$439a3c00$0202a8c0@Leo> References: <473B300C.5090607@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
... my old girl "Blair", that is here name, when i got her from the shelter several years (est six plus), ago after Ernesto had cancer (another six pluser) ... sleeps on the bed (obviously) and in the morning, has a roll call of places to scent leading up to breakfast. the biggest one is an old
upturned Mercier frame (with a few bits), in the way, the right dropout is mandatory, the other one gets a few licks in too. the cinelli wheels and another older frame on the way also get a look see, but just a look see. then it's let's eat. anything special about an old Mercian or just the placement? r clair alexandria, va 22308
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:23:05 -0800 From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Unknown Rider Message-ID: <004301c82bdd$15348770$4001a8c0@Perry> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
Dear Group,
About 9 years ago I had the opportunity to buy out the partial contents of Tom Avenia's Bicycle Shop in West Haverstraw, New York. I was far from the first fella in there to buy, but I still scored some cool stuff.
Among the goodies was this framed photograph. I have no idea who this guy is! Do any a youse have an idea of the who and when?
Please take a look in my wooljersey gallery:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
thank you in advance,
John T.Pergolizzi
La Jolla, Ca.
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