Re: [CR]Early 80s Peugeot Model ID/No eyelets

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:57:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Fred Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Early 80s Peugeot Model ID/No eyelets
To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <342129.32743.qm@web90502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Don,

The seat sounds orginal. The shape is something akin to a cross between a San Marco Concor and a Sella Italia Turbo, albeit with a suede cover - right? That's what came on the bike when new.

As for the wheels... the originals probably had a Helicomatic hub at the rear. When the sprockets wore out, the entire wheelset was replaced. That's not a real mystery - many people did not have access to Helicomatic replacement parts. Plus, some riders had spoke breakage problems with the Helicomatic hubs. I didn't, but I weigh about 128 pounds, and was even lighter in those days.

Even without eyelets, it's a great frame - and there are other ways to mount fenders. What you have is, for all intents and purposes, a PX-10 made from Super Vitus tubing.

This bike does have a couple of qualities that need consideration, though: 1) The seat binder arrangement. Then again, because of that, it comes with one of those JPR seat posts, and there must be some cachet in that. (On mine, I eventually had a frame builder braze on a proper binder, but that was due to paranoia.) 2) The BB threading might be Swiss. Then again, it might be French; and on the latter frames, the threading was all British.

So obviously these bikes have a couple of quirks, but they are wonderful rides. It should be easy to find a buyer.
     Best regards,
     Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)


--- Don Wilson wrote:


> Chrome fork.. No eyelets front or back. I'm a fender
> man, so it will take a lot of love to keep it. :-)
>
> I checked the archive. Matrix Titans made in Waterloo,
> WI appear to have been an early house brand of Trek.
> Were these what came on Trek 520 touring bikes? Kind
> of an odd add to this Peugeot, but, as I said, I like
> the ride so maybe not that odd.
>
> Could you hazard a guess as to what kind of seat would
> have come new on a PSV-10?
>
> Don Wilson
> Los Olivos, CA
> USA
>
> --- Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Don,
> > That sounds like a PSV-10 from 1983, '84 or '85,
> > although a
> > couple of things have been changed from original
> > specification:
> > - original brake levers were Weinmann, to match the
> > calipers.
> > - original pedals were Maillard (I think.)
> > - original wheels had Maillard hubs/freewheel and
> > Rigida rims.
> > If the handlebars are original, my recollection
> > is that they
> > will be Phillipe Franco-Italia or perhaps
> > Frango-Belge, like
> > the ones we've been discussing recently.
> > This bike - and the PGN-10, which was similar but
> > not quite
> > as nice - were two of the greatest bike bargains
> > available in
> > the early 1980s. At least, that's my opinion. By
> > the way,
> > does your have eyelets for mounting fenders? Some
> > did,
> > although the spacing between the chain stays still
> > prohibits
> > the use of wide tires.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Found one that looks a little later than Moos's
> > > Peugeot pictured on CR, but exact color and
> > transfer
> > > scheme. Maybe a year or two off list?
> > >
> > > 980 Super Vitus tubes, reads hand braised in
> > French on
> > > top tube, nice Atax aero stem, bars to be
> > determined,
> > > no windows on lugs, instead of a traditional
> > binder
> > > bolt at top of tube, there is a screw on the back
> > of
> > > the seat tube about 3 inches down, allows very
> > clean
> > > lug seat stay look, Simplex SX610 derailleurs and
> > > levers, Stronglite cranks and headset (look more
> > aero
> > > than Moos' crankset), Mo Oro pedals, rough out
> > hide on
> > > plastic seat stamped made in Italy, Weinman side
> > pull
> > > brakes, Shimano 105 aero levers, brown annodized
> > > Matrix Titan 700c rims with original Matrix hubs
> > and
> > > tires, Shimano 6006 cog cluster in back,
> > >
> > > Nice bike. Not great. Pleasing ride. Kind of on
> > the
> > > cusp of aero, but the tubes don't appear ovalized.
> >
> > >
> > > Anyone know a model designation for this one?

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