Re: [CR]sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...

Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:01:59 -0400
From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>
To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...

Not to muddy the waters here but Ray's "B" used to be mine. It is accurately dated to 1967 as I bought it as, for the most part, a frame from the original owner who lived in Sommervile and raced it on the Sommerset Schwinn team as a Jr. The parts on Ray's Cinelli were as accrurate as I could make them. Unless of course Ray changed things out, but he will have to comment on that. Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY, USA
>>> "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> 03/15/07 2:26 PM >>> Art wrote:

"Is it really a Cinelli or something else with the oriental head badge applied and other odd bits and measurements? Curious minds want to know.

"

with regards to my auction:

http://tinyurl.com/2uff6k or

http://ebay.com/<blah> QQitemZ120097886687

There is not one single item on the bike that is oriental. The headbadge

is an Italian made replica. You can see another one of these reproduction badges that I am also offering up for sale on ebay here:

http://ebay.com/<blah> W0QQitemZ120097188466

These are the best copies that I have ever seen. Personally I prefer these replica badges to the many repinted badges that you come across.

As for the frame, I would invite you to compare the auction bike with Ray Dobbin's Cinelli Mod. B here: http://www.raydobbins.com/cinelli_b/index and you will see that they have more in common than anything else. The predisposition for an oiler hole on the BB shell would date my bike to be older than Ray's. The small frame size was the likely cause for the selection of Universal Mod. 51 brakes instead of the Mod. 61 brakes found on Ray's bike. The non-anodized handlebars are older than the anodized version found on Ray's bike. Both have the same BB cable guide that is marked Brev. Int. Campagnolo instead of the later Brev. Camp. I can't tell from Ray's maasterful photos whether his headset is marked with the <C> or not, but

I take it is (although 1967 is right about the change-over date...)

As for the components, the bike retains most of the parts that were on the bike when it was found. The Magistroni cottered cranks and BB were discarded because they were terribly rusted and I preferred the alloy cottered cranks. The original wheels, which were in rough shape, have also been replaced with wheels built up using all new old stock parts.

If anybody has any questions, please feel free to ask either on or offlist, as well as via ebay questions.

Steven Maasland
Moorestown, NJ
USA