> Got a nice number of responses to my Q about Yo - yo - yo, etc.
> Chris Brown came the closest as you can read from his answer.
> So, he gets the prize.with a 50% correct reply.
> It originated as far as I know possibly in the '20's but in the '30's for
> sure.
> I think at the board tracks when guys would jump to sprint or go for a lap
> the people would yell Yo-yo yo or the riders would also to alert the front
> guys to step on it, guy(s) were going off- coming round.
> It carried on over to road also and was very convenient to shut down
> attacks. Made it all the trickier to launch a sneak breakaway.
> As to the origin, we must think back to all the crazes that were abound in
> the '20's and '30's.
> The best I can tell from my memory of the old - timers at then time was
> that when one jumped of the seat, was down in the drops, some guys would
> bob their heads up and down like a Yo-Yo and hence the expression.
> All of you should be able to visualize this quite readily and have a nice
> chuckle over our colorful slang, nickname , and linguistic heritage
> especially in cycling.
> The older expressions were far more imaginative and creative than today's
> more crude versions, in my opinion.
> So Chris you get the prize.
> It is a Souvenir promo YO-YO that Schwinn gave out at the National Bike
> Dealer's Convention when it was still in Anaheim,Ca.,
> at the Convention Center some 20 years ago before they moved the show to
> Las Vegas.
> I've had it all these years, The Yo-Yo is yellow with a magenta YO on it
> for their advertising program at the time and were only given out at the
> show and then maybe to some dealers after by the reps.
> I need your address Chris so I can forward same to you.
> It's a nice piece of Cycling Memoribilia, and it works!
> Thanks for playing guys.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Vertdes Estates
> CA 90274
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Brown" <CBrown@davispartner.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:44 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 51, Issue 44
>
>
>>> > Ted Ernst wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Got to thinking about some of the old bike lingo.
>>> > This is one I remember from when I was a kid back
>>> > in the '30's.
>>> > It was used through the fifties, and slowly died out
>>> > with the new age riders.
>>> >
>>> > Yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.
>> Ted,
>> I would think that this would be something you might yell out in a pack
>> as someone of danger began a jump from the back of the pack and you
>> wanted
>> to alert others to accelerate and close the gap as he came around and
>> drag
>> your tired butt along.
>> In the sixties and seventies , we used to say Aleze-aleze-aleze thinking
>> it was french meaning to go fast, or Up-up-up-up-up.
>> Chris Brown
>> Denver, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Brown
>> Davis Partnership Architects
>> 303 861 8555 phone
>> 303 861 3027 fax
>>
>>
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>> 1. Re: sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...
>> (Edward Albert)
>> 2. WTB Paletti SR parts (Matt)
>> 3. Re: Brian's Birthday (Michael Allison)
>> 4. If you own a silver Cinelli, don't miss this one (Tom Sanders)
>> 5. Re: sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...
>> (Raymond Dobbins)
>> 6. Re: Clear Coating after paint touch-up, What to Use??
>> (bruce thomson)
>> 7. Ted test (ternst)
>> 8. 1986 Bicycle Guide Magazine (Kevin Speltz)
>> 9. RE: Ted test (Mark Bulgier)
>> 10. RE: 1986 Bicycle Guide Magazine (Mark Bulgier)
>> 11. RE: Re: compilation, Snow Proof on leather saddles?
>> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
>> 12. sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory... (The Maaslands)
>> 13. RE: Ted test (Fred Rafael Rednor)
>> 14. Re: Ted test (ternst)
>> 15. email problems (wilc)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:01:59 -0400
>> From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>
>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...
>> Message-ID: <s5f96e0e.074@GW15.hofstra.edu>
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>> Not to muddy the waters here but Ray's "B" used to be mine. It is
>> accurately dated to 1967 as I bought it as, for the most part, a frame
>> from the original owner who lived in Sommervile and raced it on the
>> Sommerset Schwinn team as a Jr. The parts on Ray's Cinelli were as
>> accrurate as I could make them. Unless of course Ray changed things
>> out, but he will have to comment on that.
>> Edward Albert
>> Chappaqua, NY, USA
>>
>>>>> "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> 03/15/07 2:26 PM >>>
>> Art wrote:
>>
>> "Is it really a Cinelli or something else with the oriental head badge
>> applied and other odd bits and measurements? Curious minds want to know.
>>
>> "
>>
>> with regards to my auction:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> QQitemZ120097886687
>>
>> There is not one single item on the bike that is oriental. The headbadge
>>
>> is an Italian made replica. You can see another one of these
>> reproduction badges that I am also offering up for sale on ebay here:
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> W0QQitemZ120097188466
>>
>> These are the best copies that I have ever seen. Personally I prefer
>> these replica badges to the many repinted badges that you come across.
>>
>> As for the frame, I would invite you to compare the auction bike with
>> Ray Dobbin's Cinelli Mod. B here:
>> http://www.raydobbins.com/
>> have more in common than anything else. The predisposition for an oiler
>> hole on the BB shell would date my bike to be older than Ray's. The
>> small frame size was the likely cause for the selection of Universal
>> Mod. 51 brakes instead of the Mod. 61 brakes found on Ray's bike. The
>> non-anodized handlebars are older than the anodized version found on
>> Ray's bike. Both have the same BB cable guide that is marked Brev. Int.
>> Campagnolo instead of the later Brev. Camp. I can't tell from Ray's
>> maasterful photos whether his headset is marked with the <C> or not, but
>>
>> I take it is (although 1967 is right about the change-over date...)
>>
>> As for the components, the bike retains most of the parts that were on
>> the bike when it was found. The Magistroni cottered cranks and BB were
>> discarded because they were terribly rusted and I preferred the alloy
>> cottered cranks. The original wheels, which were in rough shape, have
>> also been replaced with wheels built up using all new old stock parts.
>>
>> If anybody has any questions, please feel free to ask either on or
>> offlist, as well as via ebay questions.
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Matt <velomatte@yahoo.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]WTB Paletti SR parts
>> Message-ID: <587786.7945.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <797317.51332.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> I am looking for a few parts to finish up my Paletti
>> Super Prestige.
>>
>> I would really like to find a set of Pantographed
>> Super Record brake levers, you may not even know these
>> are for Paletti, they have LP on them, kind of like
>> the SF on a classic Giants baseball cap, surrounded by
>> 4 arrows like the points on a compass. Other than
>> that they look just like the Olmo, Colnago, Ciocc
>> items you usually see with the three diamonds in red,
>> green and white.
>>
>> I would also love to find pantographed seat post and
>> down tube shifters, but not as concerned with these as
>> the levers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt Hamilton
>> Oakland, Ca
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:18:36 -0500
>> From: Michael Allison <cyclo_one@verizon.net>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Cc: sterling@tns.net
>> Subject: [CR]Re: Brian's Birthday
>> Message-ID: <957c5476051632f8d93ba87ac0688229@verizon.net>
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>>
>>
>> I will be riding my 1962 Masi Special this Saturday, even if it wasn't
>> Brian's birthday. That's the fastest way to get the dust off the bike
>> and out of my head. But the ride also honors Brian, who did a fantastic
>> repaint, and John who help me rebuild it.
>>
>>
>> Happy Birthday Bro.
>>
>> Michael Allison
>> New York, NY
>>
>>
>>
>> To honor Brian, I will ride a 79 Masi if it does not snow.
>> Mike Schmidt
>> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:38:42
>> To:<sterling@tns.net>,"Classic rendezvous"
>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Masi Bikes in the Ride
>>
>> i.e.: Masi Bikes in the Ride
>>
>> Sterling Peters wrote:
>>
>> "I have a 1972 Grand Criterium I'm riding. Brian has a 1960's Masi
>> Specia
>> l
>> to ride. JB has a Col-Masi"
>>
>>
>> Pergolizzi has a Confente he say's he's gonna ride.
>>
>> J.Pergolizzi
>> La Jolla, Ca.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:20:17 -0400
>> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]If you own a silver Cinelli, don't miss this one
>> Message-ID: <001b01c7673f$59735640$9b4dff44@ts>
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>>
>> When doing touch up on paint, I like to use a paint like DeRusto or
>> Rustoleum as a primer and do it in the closest color I can to the finish
>> paint. This way I can fill holes where needed with this anti-rust type
>> paint and it will stick to about anything and is easily painted over with
>> regular bike paints. I recently discovered that Ace Hardware stores have
>> their own brand of anti-rust paint. They call it Stop Rust. To cut to
>> the
>> quick of the matter, they have a color in this paint called Aluminum that
>> even in bright sunlight is a perfect match to Cinelli silver and has all
>> the
>> nice qualities of an anti-rust paint.
>> Not only that , but it is not at all expensive.
>> Tom Sanders
>> Lansing, Mi USA
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
>> To: Edward Albert <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>,
>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, TheMaaslands@comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [CR]sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...
>> Message-ID: <701793.13071.qm@web60411.mail.yahoo.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <s5f96e0e.074@GW15.hofstra.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>>
>> Eddie did a great job putting together my ex B (yup, I sold it). The
>> only
>> thing I changed was the wheelset. It came with small flange Record hubs
>> and Martano bowtie label rims (with grooved sidewalls - special for
>> rain?), and I put on large flange Record hubs with Fiamme red oval label
>> rims. I don't remember if the headset had the <c> marking, and
>> unfortunate
>> ly the bike is now on its way to the new owner.
>>
>> Steven, what does your bb shell have underneath? Eddie's/mine had a
>> single round hole in the center.
>>
>> Ray Dobbins
>> Miami FL USA
>>
>> Edward Albert <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> wrote:
>> Not to muddy the waters here but Ray's "B" used to be mine. It is
>> accurately dated to 1967 as I bought it as, for the most part, a frame
>> from the original owner who lived in Sommervile and raced it on the
>> Sommerset Schwinn team as a Jr. The parts on Ray's Cinelli were as
>> accrurate as I could make them. Unless of course Ray changed things
>> out, but he will have to comment on that.
>> Edward Albert
>> Chappaqua, NY, USA
>>
>>>>> "The Maaslands" 03/15/07 2:26 PM >>>
>> Art wrote:
>>
>> "Is it really a Cinelli or something else with the oriental head badge
>> applied and other odd bits and measurements? Curious minds want to know.
>>
>> "
>>
>> with regards to my auction:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> QQitemZ120097886687
>>
>> There is not one single item on the bike that is oriental. The headbadge
>>
>> is an Italian made replica. You can see another one of these
>> reproduction badges that I am also offering up for sale on ebay here:
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> W0QQitemZ120097188466
>>
>> These are the best copies that I have ever seen. Personally I prefer
>> these replica badges to the many repinted badges that you come across.
>>
>> As for the frame, I would invite you to compare the auction bike with
>> Ray Dobbin's Cinelli Mod. B here:
>> http://www.raydobbins.com/
>> have more in common than anything else. The predisposition for an oiler
>> hole on the BB shell would date my bike to be older than Ray's. The
>> small frame size was the likely cause for the selection of Universal
>> Mod. 51 brakes instead of the Mod. 61 brakes found on Ray's bike. The
>> non-anodized handlebars are older than the anodized version found on
>> Ray's bike. Both have the same BB cable guide that is marked Brev. Int.
>> Campagnolo instead of the later Brev. Camp. I can't tell from Ray's
>> maasterful photos whether his headset is marked with the or not, but
>>
>> I take it is (although 1967 is right about the change-over date...)
>>
>> As for the components, the bike retains most of the parts that were on
>> the bike when it was found. The Magistroni cottered cranks and BB were
>> discarded because they were terribly rusted and I preferred the alloy
>> cottered cranks. The original wheels, which were in rough shape, have
>> also been replaced with wheels built up using all new old stock parts.
>>
>> If anybody has any questions, please feel free to ask either on or
>> offlist, as well as via ebay questions.
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
>> To: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>,
>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Clear Coating after paint touch-up, What to Use??
>> Message-ID: <20070315204211.24364.qmail@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <882037.44622.qm@web51602.mail.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> As an addendum, I wanted to know if anyone has had experience with the
>> water based polyurethane Varathane Diamond, or I will try the hobby brand
>> of Floquil which has a good reputation for durability. And I still
>> wanted
>> to run it through my air brush. Any experienced painters??
>>
>> bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> wrote: Folks: I just have finished
>> some extensive touch-up painting on two Motobecanes and wanted to know if
>> some one has experience with a durable clear gloss clear coat that can be
>> easily applied with an air brush. I would prefer if it were to be
>> somewhat gentle on my breathing apparatus...lungs, and if there were a
>> water soluble type to use. A couple of ounces could go a long ways. BT
>>
>>
>> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
>> (509) 747 4314
>> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
>> (509) 747 4314
>> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:03:58 -0700
>> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]Ted test
>> Message-ID: <002d01c76745$73855230$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>
>> Got to thinking about some of the old bike lingo.
>> This is one I remember from when I was a kid back in the '30's.
>> It was used through the fifties, and slowly died out with the new age
>> riders.
>>
>> Yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.
>>
>> You can add or subtract yos if you like, means the same.
>> What does it mean and how did it originate?
>> I have a nice prize for the winner, I'll even send it postage prepaid!
>> First correct answer wins.
>> To be fair, I'll adjust for our time zones in the lower 48
>> Contest ends 6:00 P.M. Western Daylight Savings Time, Saturday, March
>> 17th, 2007.
>> Happy St. Patrick's Day and good luck on your timely entries!
>> Ted Ernst
>> Palos Verdes Estates
>> CA 90274
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:07:27 -0700
>> From: "Kevin Speltz" <kls750@gmail.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]1986 Bicycle Guide Magazine
>> Message-ID: <212ff6910703151407m32cc986cuebf5e1710ea1f24c@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>>
>> Does anyone know where I might find a copy of the 1986 issue of Bicycle
>> Guide magazine that is featured in the Italian section of CR? I had a
>> copy back in the day when I was first getting into cycling and it
>> started my obsession for Italian steel
>>
>> Kevin.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Speltz
>> Manager, Roy Street Apartments
>> 112 Roy St #C23
>> Seattle, WA, 98109
>> 206.284.1833
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:18:40 -0700
>> From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
>> To: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Ted test
>> Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064410@hippy.home.here>
>> In-Reply-To: <002d01c76745$73855230$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>
>> References: <002d01c76745$73855230$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
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>>
>> Ted Ernst wrote:
>>>
>>> Got to thinking about some of the old bike lingo.
>>> This is one I remember from when I was a kid back in the '30's.
>>> It was used through the fifties, and slowly died out with the new age
>>> riders.
>>>
>>> Yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.
>>
>> Well I don't know anything about a "Lingo" bike
>> But the "Ingo" bike, as seen here:
>> http://www.ohtm.org/
>> had sort of a yo-yo action.
>>
>> ;^)
>>
>> Mark Bulgier
>> Seattle WA USA
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:33:54 -0700
>> From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
>> To: "Kevin Speltz" <kls750@gmail.com>,
>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: RE: [CR]1986 Bicycle Guide Magazine
>> Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064411@hippy.home.here>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <212ff6910703151407m32cc986cuebf5e1710ea1f24c@mail.gmail.com>
>> References: <212ff6910703151407m32cc986cuebf5e1710ea1f24c@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
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>>
>> Kevin Speltz wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I might find a copy of the 1986 issue of
>> Bicycle
>>> Guide magazine that is featured in the Italian section of CR? I had a
>>> copy back in the day when I was first getting into cycling and it
>>> started my obsession for Italian steel
>>
>> I have a scan of the cover here:
>> http://bulgier.net/
>>
>> I don't seem to have scans of the articles though.
>>
>> Mark Bulgier
>> Seattle WA USA
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>,
>> Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>,
>> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: compilation, Snow Proof on leather saddles?
>> Message-ID: <881262.31097.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90706440B@hippy.home.here>
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>>
>> As a chemical engineer with 25 years experience in the petroleum refining
>> business I can say that that petroleum products in general, at least
>> excluding additives, are not a high cancer risk agent. Probably the most
>> carginogenic substance commonly found in petroleum products is Benzene,
>> but that appears in gasoline, which is a much lighter fraction of crude
>> oil than that used to manufacture motor oil. Heavier aromatic compounds
>> (in the same family as Benzene) might present a much smaller cancer risk,
>> but these have always been removed from motor oil to improve its
>> lubricatin
>> g qualities. Motor oil is very similar chemically to peroleum jelly,
>> which people apply directly to the skin, so any carcinogenic properties
>> of
>> motor oil would be solely due to additives.
>>
>> If Frank Berto really is/was a petroleum engineer, he may not know what
>> he is talking about. That is because in the industry, a Petroleum
>> Engineer refers to an engineer who is involved in finding, drilling and
>> producing crude oil and natural gas from the ground. Petroleum Engineers
>> typically have very limited knowledge of finished petroluem products, as
>> oil refineries are run by Chemical Engineers, with degrees in a different
>> branch of engineering. If heavy aromatics is the concern, for example,
>> many Petroleum Engineers would not know that these are removed from motor
>> oil in the refining process.
>>
>> I wouldn't use motor oil on a saddle, but only because I would be afraid
>> of damaging the saddle, not out of any cancer concern. Used motor oil,
>> on
>> the other hand, is a completely different story, as it contains metals
>> and
>> all sorts of other contaminants.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry Moos
>> Big Spring, TX
>>
>> Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net> wrote:
>>
>> Fred Rafael Rednor wrote:
>>
>>> [snip] Lon Haldeman used 30 weight motor oil to
>>> condition and break in his saddles.
>>> Given the amazing number of replies that Harvey has included
>>> here, I'm curious if anyone on this list has actually used the
>>> motor oil treatment?
>>
>> IIRC, we have been warned by petroleum engineers, Frank Berto among them
>> I believe, to not use motor oil on saddles. I seem to remember the
>> problem was carcinogens, specifically the additives, not the oil per se.
>>
>> Used motor oil is a known (not just suspected) carcinogen, but I don't
>> remember how bad new motor oil is. Probably varies from brand to brand.
>> But given the aggregate history of the oil companies and the concern
>> they've shown about our health over the years, I sure wouldn't trust the
>> stuff.
>>
>> Maybe the amount you'd get through padded shorts is small enough to be
>> an acceptable risk to you. For me, just thinking about it would tend to
>> spoil the ride. There are plenty of safer alternatives.
>>
>> Mark Bulgier
>> Seattle WA USA
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:25:28 -0400
>> From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]sitting on the shelves of the Cinelli factory...
>> Message-ID: <013301c76750$db1e7740$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP>
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>> Ray wrote:
>>
>> "Eddie did a great job putting together my ex B (yup, I sold it). The
>> only thing I changed was the wheelset. It came with small flange
>> Record
>> hubs and Martano bowtie label rims (with grooved sidewalls - special
>> for
>> rain?), and I put on large flange Record hubs with Fiamme red oval
>> label
>> rims. I don't remember if the headset had the <c> marking, and
>> unfortunately the bike is now on its way to the new owner.
>>
>> Steven, what does your bb shell have underneath? Eddie's/mine had a
>> single round hole in the center."
>>
>> Mine too has a single hole on the underside of the BB shell.
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Ted test
>> Message-ID: <161129.48323.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064410@hippy.home.here>
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>> > Ted Ernst wrote:
>> >
>> > Got to thinking about some of the old bike lingo.
>> > This is one I remember from when I was a kid back
>> > in the '30's.
>> > It was used through the fifties, and slowly died out
>> > with the new age riders.
>> >
>> > Yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.
>> Ted,
>> In my youth (somewhat later than yours) we were told to yell
>> something like that to a leadout rider who was going too fast.
>> Then again, that was in NYC, where "yo" was also used as an
>> introductory syllable to all sorts of phrases...
>> Fred Rednor - now in Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:38:48 -0700
>> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
>> To: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>,
>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Ted test
>> Message-ID: <004901c76752$b2db8aa0$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>
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>> Sorry Fred. Not quite.
>> When somebody went too hard in front we would always yell :"EASY", and
>> get
>> the guy to adjust the pace to keep the line together.
>> Ted Ernst
>> Palos Verdes Estates
>> CA 90274
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: [CR]Ted test
>>
>>
>>> > Ted Ernst wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Got to thinking about some of the old bike lingo.
>>> > This is one I remember from when I was a kid back
>>> > in the '30's.
>>> > It was used through the fifties, and slowly died out
>>> > with the new age riders.
>>> >
>>> > Yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.
>>> Ted,
>>> In my youth (somewhat later than yours) we were told to yell
>>> something like that to a leadout rider who was going too fast.
>>> Then again, that was in NYC, where "yo" was also used as an
>>> introductory syllable to all sorts of phrases...
>>> Fred Rednor - now in Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> ___________
>>> TV dinner still cooling?
>>> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
>>> http://tv.yahoo.com/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:58:10 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: wilc <cherrycycle1@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]email problems
>> Message-ID: <20070315225810.8765.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> list,
>> for some obscure reason i had a message today from yahoo saying i no
>> longer had an account with them and all mail was being returned, so just
>> to keep you in the loop... i am here and contactable on the usual
>> address
>> cherrycycle1@yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> willie carton coleraine n. ireland
>>
>> =09
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>>
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