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> 1. Re: Strange braze-on...what is a primus
> 2. More clearing the chaf and ebay listings for Benotto tape fans
> (gear@grego)
> 3. Was: Campy 27.4. Now: CR list sign offs
> 4. WTB: lugged track frame (Anthony Musick)
> 5. Re: Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 6. Re: Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
> 7. Re: Campy 27.4 seatpost
> 8. WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
> 9. Pieces and Parts (Jack Gabus)
> 10. Re: Help me reconstruct the past .. (John Barry)
> 11. Tire Savers- scam? (ttruong2)
> 12. FS: Barum tubulars, CLB cantilevers, Bluemels, long-cage ders.
> (tom.ward@juno.com)
> 13. 27" tubular tire? (jeffrey piwonka)
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:10:28 -0500
> From: <mercian531@bellsouth.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Strange braze-on...what is a primus
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> Bob Hanson wrote:
>
>>I just came across this interesting website on vintage lightweight camping
>>stoves worth a slow browse:
>
>>_http://www.spiritburner.com/stoves_in_literature.htm_
>>(http://www.spiritburner.com/stoves_in_literature.htm)
>
>>... it is full of more info than I could imagine even existed.
>
> I discovered this site a few years back and was inspired to dig out my old
> Optimus 8R stove. I used to carry it touring back in the on topic days of
> yore. I hadn't fired it up since the early 80's, but found a rebuild kit
> and it works like a champ! That site really opened my eyes as to how
> cool old stoves are. They make a great accessory to go with that classic
> touring bike.
>
> Jim Cole
> Memphis, TN
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:10:40 -0600
> From: "gear@grego" <gear@xmission.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]More clearing the chaf and ebay listings for Benotto tape
> fans
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> Hi all,
>
> Don't want to skirt free advertising by doing this, but for those who
> need some, I've just posted several rolls of Benotto bar tape on ebay.
> I.D. is: eencore .
> There's more where these came from, so if you're looking for a specific
> color, I may have it. Email off list gear@xmission.com .
> Combined shipping, favors to list members and all that good stuff.
>
> Thanks to those helping me share the loot that I'm clearing out!
>
> Greg Overton
> doing my part to pretty up classics in
> Salt Lake City, Utah
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:14:33 -0400
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com
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> Subject: [CR]Was: Campy 27.4. Now: CR list sign offs
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> <<'spiney' norman neville
> still new wavin' in ct >>
>
> Hi Norman:
>
> Maybe you missed my recent post about sign offs...
>
> The CR list requires more complete and less colloquial sign offs, because
> we have many foreign members and folks for who English is a second
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>
> yeah, but...
>
> a 27.2 seatpost is a touch smaller than 27.2...and
> tubes are not perfectly round either...
>
> in the real world, those silver-brazed sl and 531c
> frames _must_ use a 27.4 post for a correct fit and
> the sp frames _absolutely need_ a 27.2 post for the
> proper fit. only those are really round, really
> smooth, really ready for the post.
>
> the fact that most folks get away the slightly
> undersized posts is more a testament to light riders,
> lack of grease and the tensile strength of a campag
> seat binder bolt.
>
> fwiw, i've seen pleny of bent ears on columbus-tubed
> frames. i've done it myself plenty in the long, long
> ago. we used to also see it tons on the (off topic!
> horror!!) custom mountain bike frames we built 25
> years ago with sl and sp tubing mixes with down tubes
> used as oversized top tubes. fun stuff...
>
> 'spiney' norman neville
> still new wavin' in ct
>
> _now_ the lesson is over.
>
>
> --- Wesley Gadd <wesleygadd@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I'll throw in my two cents here. A typical single
>> butted Columbus SL or 531 "C" seat tube with an
>> outside diameter of 28.6 mm (1 1/8") and wall
>> thickness of .9/.6 mm will have an inside diameter
>> of 27.4mm at the seattube end. A 27.2 seatpin slides
>> nicely into an unbrazed , raw seattube. Doing the
>> math tells us that the .2 mm difference in diameter
>> amounts to about .008", or about .004" radial
>> clearance. I doubt that one could even enter a 27.4
>> mm pin into an unbrazed .9/.6 seattube. I always
>> thought the 27.4 size was to suit a .8/.5 seattube,
>> or a handy fix for an overzealously "prepped" .9/.6
>> tube.
>> As an aside, when 853 became available, Reynolds
>> specified a 27.2 seatpin for a .8/.5 seattube.
>> Presumably the air hardening nature of the 853
>> wouldn't allow for the light clean up necessary to
>> remove the brazing/ welding distortion even a
>> careful skilled builder would cause.
>> Another aside- anyone ever wonder what sort of
>> seattube Raleigh Internationals used? Didn't they
>> take a 26.6 or something? That would indicate (
>> with non- metric O.D.'s at least) a .9 or full 1mm
>> wall. Double butted seat tube, maybe? And didn't
>> Cinelli Corsa B's have a similar size?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Wes Gadd
>> Unionville,CT
>> spiney norman <nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> --- MARK wrote:
>>
>> > I believe Columbus (?) KL tubing used 27.4 posts
>> >
>> > Mark Hoffman
>> > New Britain, CT
>>
>>
>> most handbuilt, silver-brazed columbus sl-tubed
>> frames
>> actually need a 27.4 seatpost and the same type of
>> frame with an sp seat tube take a 27.2 because the
>> tube does not ovalize much if at all with the
>> careful,
>> low-temperature construction. brass-brazed,
>> production-type, overcooked frames with sl seat
>> tubes
>> use a 27.2 and sp a 27.0.
>>
>> many if not most of the ill-fitting seatpost issues
>> with high-end handbuilt columbus sl and sp frames
>> come
>> from the fact that some builders may not have been
>> aware of need for the slightly larger seatpost.
>>
>> 'spiney' norman neville
>> new wavin', ct
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:59:11 -0700
> From: "Anthony Musick" <antoniclese@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB: lugged track frame
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> Hi Everyone,
> I realize it's a long shot, but track season is just around the corner
> and I'm hoping to find something lugged, steel, and somewhat classic
> to race on this year. I'm not too particular - an old Colnago or an
> old Raliegh or an old locally made piece of work would be equally
> considered. Whatever you got, if you want rid of it let me know and I
> will pay! Thanks!
> Anthony Musick
> San Diego, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Hughethornton@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
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> PIVO was one of many French manufacturers who sold "faux lugged" alloy
> stems, i.e. stems that superficially resembled a lugged steel stem, but in
> fact were a single alloy casting or forging. As I've said before, I've
> seen nearly identical stems of this type marked with half a dozen
> different French brands or no brand at all, and I suspect maybe a single
> firm, pehaps one we never heard of, manufactured these for all the
> companies that sold them.
>
> I am not in the least convinced that the AVA versions of these stems were
> actually made by AVA nor that they were any more prone to failure than the
> same design sold by other companies. It is true that there were several
> variations on this design, including one in which the back end of the stem
> was open such that one can see the quill bolt through the back of the
> stem. I think some or all such stems also had a hollow section in the
> center extending forward to the bar clamp. One intuitively feels that
> perhaps this particular variation might be prone to failure, although I've
> never seen any statistics to back that up. But I don't believe this
> variation was limited to AVA, nor that all AVA faux lugged stems were of
> this particular variation.
>
> I think the AVA "death stem" myth is at least partly that, and is mostly
> based in America. This is because Peugeot, which used primarily used AVA
> bars and stems, was the leading French marque in the American market "In
> the Day". Some variation of the faux lugged stems marked as AVA may
> indeed have been more prone to failure than others. Probably the
> troublesome design would have been sold in Europe under several brand
> names. But American consumers would have most likely experienced or heard
> of failures of such stems marked as AVA, and quite likely OE on a Peugeot,
> and therefore AVA would have been the brand regarded as a "death stem".
>
> I have personally never experienced a failure of a faux lugged alloy
> stem, despite having a lot of French bikes that use them. I have,
> however, experienced cracking of AVA bars, so I put more credence in the
> AVA "death bars" legend.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>
>
>
>
> Hughethornton@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 18/03/2007 23:19:13 GMT Standard Time,
> schmidi@gaponline.de writes:
>
> Hello List,
> Yesterday I got a really old an wheathered light blue lightweight from
> one of my LBS decalled "Cicli Moser Trento". It is a entry level bike
> and i would say it was made in the fifties or sixties. It has a PIVO
> "death-stem"
>
>
> This is the first reference I have seen to a PIVO death stem. There has
> been much correspondence on this list about AVA death stems and one person
> did
> query whether PIVO stems were the same because of a superficially similar
> design, but I am not aware of any confirmation.
>
> PIVO stems were used successfully in competition for many years, notably
> by
> Jacques Anquetil, and I have never had any qualms about using them on
> various
> Gitanes that I have owned. I currently have 2 PIVO stems showing no signs
> of fracture or impending failure. Does anyone know for sure whether there
> is
> any weakness in the PIVO design?
>
> Hugh Thornton
> Cheshire, England
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:20:08 +0000 (GMT)
> From: joebz@optonline.net
> To: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
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> Rich,
>
> What you need is a Sutherlands third edition handbook. I say the third
> because it usually available cheaply ($35) and covers the full gamut of
> classic bike content. I suspect that later editions start to drop obscure
> stuff and the earlier versions have less information. It tell you how to
> interchange the various axles, cups and cranks and where your chainline
> ends up.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: r cielec
> Date: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:45 pm
> Subject: [CR]Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>> Ahoy !
>>
>> Ensnared in a common conundrum -
>>
>> Have a Campag NR/SR/GS bottom bracket.
>>
>> Do not have a Campag crank. So, a non-Campag may have to be
>> the alternative. The usual European suspects: Omas, Ofmega,
>> Galli, Gipiemme, Mavic, Zeus, long shots = Stronglight, TA (I do
>> not think the French are compatible).
>>
>> Can someone point me to a reliable cross-reference table ?
>>
>> Is there a reliable method for measuring the crank to
>> determine the required spindle spec' (ISO; JIC; proprietary: ?).
>>
>> Should I take a wax impression of the bore in the crank and
>> measure that for taper ?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Richard Cielec
>> Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A..
>>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:21 EDT
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
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>
> I've got a Richard Moon with "653 Record" main tubes(seller's description,
> I
>
> don't know if there's such a thing as a Record tubeset or not) that I
> strong
> ly
> suspect takes a 27.4 post. When I got it, the former owner had been
> using
> a
> 27.2 post and the binder bolt ears were toed in enough to have severely
> bent
>
> the bolt. I just bought a 27.4 post and it seems to fit well enough up
> top
>
> but won't go in much further as yet, I suspect because of a liberal
> applicat
> ion
> of a thick gummy frame preservative that I need to clean out.
>
> I ended up buying a Thompson post, but from looking at my catalogs, Campy
> made a 27.4 up to 1992 if I remember right.
>
> Bob Hovey
> Columbus, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/19/07 12:28:58 PM,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:16:20 -0400
>> From: "Mike Self" <self@fuse.net>
>> To: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>,
>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>> Message-ID: <005901c76a31$2cf209f0$0200a8c0@Mike>
>> References: <791ce6f70703182049g6c6bbee9n4ab8869ebda00e3d@mail.gmail.com>
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>> Gary, I used this post in a lugged 753 Reynolds frameset.
>>
>> Mike Self
>> Cincinnati, OH, USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:49 PM
>> Subject: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>>
>>
>> >I saw a 27.4 NOS Campy seatpost go by on ebay this last week and just
>> > finished cleaning one up for a friend. I didn't know there was such a
> n
>> > animal. What bike/frame tubing used/uses 27.4?
>> >
>> > Gary Watts
>> > Vancouver, Washington
>> > USA
>> >
>> >
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:46:09 EDT
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
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> http://bhovey.com/
>
>
> Bob Hovey
> Columbus, GA
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/19/07 7:41:14 PM,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.or
> g
> writes:
>
>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:51:19 -0400
>> From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
>> Message-ID: <000301c76a79$1c4576d0$6401a8c0@ownerejujeippx>
>> References: <bf9.11f46952.332c90f4@aol.com>
>> <45FE2160.7080403@peoplepc.com
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>> Looking to purchase (3) Cinelli style seat binder bolts. Someone on the
>> list was selling them a while ago in stainless steel. Are they still
>> available and if so, price with shipping to CT 06071?
>>
>> They are for a friend, non-list member that owns a Cinellli, a Winsdor
>> and
> a
>> Raysport.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Eric Elman
>> Somers CT USA
>>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jack Gabus <jack_gabus@yahoo.com>
> To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pieces and Parts
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> WTT,WTB or haggle:
>
> Looking for some of the usual suspects:
>
> A pair of Barrel adjusters and Barrels for early Nuovo
> Record brakes, also the cable tie downs along with the
> dimpled nuts for the tie downs.
>
> Yeah I know needle in a hay stack. Please contact me
> off line
>
> Trying to finish off a 74' Le Champion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Barry <usazorro@yahoo.com>
> To: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Help me reconstruct the past ..
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> Garth,
>
> I'm not above a little trial and error myself when I
> build up wheels, but it sounds like your initial
> attempt may have been going two spokeholes too far.
> Also, I find that there is sometimes a bit of doubt
> about the wheel is going to truly come together
> properly until you have all the spokes laced and begin
> to apply some tension to them.
>
> Good luck with the build,
>
> John Barry
> Mechanicsburg, PA, USA
>
> --- Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I was given a very standard looking older low flange
>> Suntour Hub and a
>> set of 32 new d-butted 297 mm spokes. The spokes off
>> the old wheel
>> measured 297 also and the hub and rim were also
>> unchanged from the
>> 80's. When I tried to lace the new spokes, I
>> couldn't get them to reach
>> when I attempted a three cross. I eventually was
>> forced to lace them 2
>> cross for which the spokes poked out from the inside
>> of the nipple
>> about three threads. Now assuming the original wheel
>> was laced using
>> one of those machines that became popular around
>> that time, could that
>> have enabled the manufacture to have used shorter
>> spokes than a home
>> mechanic could? Was it standard practice to use the
>> shortest spokes
>> possible or to have used longer ones and then ground
>> off the excess? I
>> am no wheel building expert, but I laced the first
>> sixteen spokes using
>> the minimum of threading to assist in using the
>> shortish spokes. The
>> 297's seemed to come about a quarter of an inch
>> short of meeting the
>> nipple in 3 cross.
>>
>> Garth libre in Miami Fl USA
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:02:09 -0700
> From: "ttruong2" <ttruong2@comcast.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Tire Savers- scam?
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> Did anyone buy tire savers from Mike Self? did you ever get them?
> any phone number available?
> Thanks
> Tom
> Oakland,ca
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:03:04 GMT
> From: "tom.ward@juno.com" <tom.ward@juno.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FS: Barum tubulars, CLB cantilevers, Bluemels, long-cage
> ders.
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> Hi friends, I have a few items for sale to offer to the list. I hope you
> may enjoy reading the descriptions, even if not in the market. I've lea
> rned a lot that way--and I may here and there succeed in being intention
> ally or (oops) inadvertantly amusing:
> 1.) one pair unused ("NOS") tubulars, BARUM -brand, size 650C, made in C
> zechoslovakia circa ??--some time ago--'70s or earliest '80s(?)--they lo
> ok like the logos were designed in Sixties or likely even before, timele
> ss appearance suitable for a thorough restoration. Very good / excellent
> usable condition (currently inflated and holding air for days), almost
> as-new except a few marks (or mostly just slight "darkenings" of the rub
> ber) on the gum-coloured sidewalls, from storage--or just light age spot
> s. Overall effect is of quite new looking tires, despite age. Pristine l
> ight diamond tread, ridged centre-section, size 650C, marked "Barum 27 x
> 1 Kriterium P-B-W". $85 shipped in the U.S. (will ship anywhere; let me
> know). Does anyone know what "P-B-W" might mean or refer to? Paris-Bres
> t-----Wales? Peanut-Butter--uhh.... "People-Better-Worry"? Perhaps somet
> hing to do with Pressure.
> 2.) NOS cantilever brakes, very light, in cast aluminum alloy, by CLB. L
> ooks like seventies work to me, or even a Sixties design, but so new loo
> king (no patina), they may have been an eighties iteration of an earlier
> design. Without reference material on them, I'm a bit out of my depth.
> Anyway, similar in profile to MAFAC, but solid cast, with moderne sans-s
> erif later "clb" logo. Complete new unused set with straddles & wires, b
> rake shoes, all springs and bolts. $75 shipped in U.S., will ship to any
> list colleagues worldwide.
> 3.) Bluemels "All-Rounder" plastic fenders, "gold", with white skirt on
> front, reflector with white housing on rear, unused "as-new" condition.
> The are the gold-metallic numbers with a slight greenish cast, somewhat
> swirly look also resembling "hammertone" or "hammerite" paint to some ex
> tent. Perhaps the word "groovy" applies, but you'd need to find the righ
> t context for these, as the color may be hard to match. These would perh
> aps look best as items of contrast, for example, with a white or black f
> rame. Regrets, no hardware for these, but stays and bolts are readily av
> ailable, and I can point you to them. $39 shipped (continental U.S.).
> 4.) Huret long-cage Duopar rear derailleur, steel model, lacks mounting
> bolt, otherwise good used condition with small amount of "rash" to edges
> of the body. A "user" here, although the rest of the derailleur shows l
> ittle wear. Looks like someone put the bike on its side, though not viol
> ently--more like pressing the derailleur body into the road, rather than
> rubbing. Result is just little dents / bright marks to edges of body, t
> he central portion, which is black on these (with yellow script "Huret"
> logo with star over the "r"). Otherwise, silver in color. Actually looks
> pretty low mileage, just needs a mounting bolt, excellent for commuter
> or serious touring. $22 shipped.
> 5.) Suntour XC silver-anodized long-cage derailleur. Very good / even ex
> cellent condition, except slight loss of screen-printed logo. Light wear
> to cage shows this derailleur has covered some mileage, but the chrome
> bolts are perfect, everything is quite shiny, giving this used derailleu
> r a near-new appearance. Back side of the parallelogram reads "MAEDA IND
> . JAPAN VIA BA". Top of cage reads "pulley exchangeable system". T
> he whole thing feels very 1981-ish to me; perhaps someone with depth in
> Suntour catalogs can tell us something about it. Unlike the Duopar above
> , the Suntour has all springs hidden from view. There is an adjusting sc
> rew perpendicular to the drop-out mounting surface, allowing fine-tuning
> of the angle of the derailleur body to the frame. Derailleur seems pret
> ty far along the evolutionary course of friction shifting, and though li
> ght is quite ruggedly built. Perhaps ideal for a late-70s / early '80s t
> ouring frame. I've just about sold it back to myself at this point, but
> also: $22 shipped (U.S.)
> Thanks for checking these out, and please write with any questions. The
> cantilevers are possibly the most interesting item; I believe they are v
> ery seldom seen. The tubulars are wonderful, but are in a size that few
> on this list will be using. The derailleurs are serviceable tools to mak
> e those chains dance.
> Tom Ward
> New York, New York, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]27" tubular tire?
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> i got a tubular off of ebay, it was listed as 700c-22.
> that is not correct. the tire says 27"-22, it's a
> continental sprinter.
> the circumference is considerably smaller than my 28"
> tubular tires.
> does that sound right for a 27" tire or is it possibly
> a 650c tire?
>
>
> Jeff Piwonka
> austin, texas, usa
>
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