Hi
Please sorry, error in the previous email...
I am offering in auction the following bicycles:
Gazelle Sport Chromo 1953 restored, perfect:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/
Dawes Sport 1938???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/
Orkan Novo Racer 1947
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/
The bikes are restored, perfect!!!
Thanks
Marcelo Afornali
Curitiba - Paraná - Brazil
http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:00 -0700
> From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> To: <tom.ward@juno.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]FS: Barum tubulars, CLB cantilevers, Bluemels, long-cage
> ders.
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> Tom Ward wrote:
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>> 1.) one pair unused ("NOS") tubulars, BARUM -brand, size 650C,
>> made in Czechoslovakia [snip] size 650C, marked "Barum 27 x 1
>> Kriterium P-B-W"
>
> Tom, are you sure they are 650c? I thought Barums marked 27 were 700c.
>
>> Does anyone know what "P-B-W" might mean or refer to?
>
> The Peace Race was the Communist bloc's Tour de France. Its route
> changed from year to year, but one of the more common routes was
> Prague-Berlin-Warsaw as in '55 and '57. Just guessing that might be
> what the tires are referring to.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/
>
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:23:41 -0300
> From: "Marcelo Afornali - Bicicletas Antigas"
> <afornali@bicicletasantigas.com.br>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 51, Issue 62
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> Hi Lists
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> I won these parts in ebay:
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>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/
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> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/
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> Thanks
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>> 1. Re: Strange braze-on...what is a primus
>> 2. More clearing the chaf and ebay listings for Benotto tape fans
>> (gear@grego)
>> 3. Was: Campy 27.4. Now: CR list sign offs
>> 4. WTB: lugged track frame (Anthony Musick)
>> 5. Re: Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
>> (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
>> 6. Re: Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
>> 7. Re: Campy 27.4 seatpost
>> 8. WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
>> 9. Pieces and Parts (Jack Gabus)
>> 10. Re: Help me reconstruct the past .. (John Barry)
>> 11. Tire Savers- scam? (ttruong2)
>> 12. FS: Barum tubulars, CLB cantilevers, Bluemels, long-cage ders.
>> (tom.ward@juno.com)
>> 13. 27" tubular tire? (jeffrey piwonka)
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:10:28 -0500
>> From: <mercian531@bellsouth.net>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]Re: Strange braze-on...what is a primus
>> Message-ID:
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>> Bob Hanson wrote:
>>
>>>I just came across this interesting website on vintage lightweight
>>>camping
>>>stoves worth a slow browse:
>>
>>>_http://www.spiritburner.com/stoves_in_literature.htm_
>>>(http://www.spiritburner.com/stoves_in_literature.htm)
>>
>>>... it is full of more info than I could imagine even existed.
>>
>> I discovered this site a few years back and was inspired to dig out my
>> old
>> Optimus 8R stove. I used to carry it touring back in the on topic days
>> of
>> yore. I hadn't fired it up since the early 80's, but found a rebuild kit
>> and it works like a champ! That site really opened my eyes as to how
>> cool old stoves are. They make a great accessory to go with that classic
>> touring bike.
>>
>> Jim Cole
>> Memphis, TN
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:10:40 -0600
>> From: "gear@grego" <gear@xmission.com>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]More clearing the chaf and ebay listings for Benotto tape
>> fans
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>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Don't want to skirt free advertising by doing this, but for those who
>> need some, I've just posted several rolls of Benotto bar tape on ebay.
>> I.D. is: eencore .
>> There's more where these came from, so if you're looking for a specific
>> color, I may have it. Email off list gear@xmission.com .
>> Combined shipping, favors to list members and all that good stuff.
>>
>> Thanks to those helping me share the loot that I'm clearing out!
>>
>> Greg Overton
>> doing my part to pretty up classics in
>> Salt Lake City, Utah
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:14:33 -0400
>> From: oroboyz@aol.com
>> To: nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com
>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]Was: Campy 27.4. Now: CR list sign offs
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>> <<'spiney' norman neville
>> still new wavin' in ct >>
>>
>> Hi Norman:
>>
>> Maybe you missed my recent post about sign offs...
>>
>> The CR list requires more complete and less colloquial sign offs, because
>> we have many foreign members and folks for who English is a second
>> language, who deserve the courtesy of clear stated who-we-are
>> "signatures".
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>>
>> yeah, but...
>>
>> a 27.2 seatpost is a touch smaller than 27.2...and
>> tubes are not perfectly round either...
>>
>> in the real world, those silver-brazed sl and 531c
>> frames _must_ use a 27.4 post for a correct fit and
>> the sp frames _absolutely need_ a 27.2 post for the
>> proper fit. only those are really round, really
>> smooth, really ready for the post.
>>
>> the fact that most folks get away the slightly
>> undersized posts is more a testament to light riders,
>> lack of grease and the tensile strength of a campag
>> seat binder bolt.
>>
>> fwiw, i've seen pleny of bent ears on columbus-tubed
>> frames. i've done it myself plenty in the long, long
>> ago. we used to also see it tons on the (off topic!
>> horror!!) custom mountain bike frames we built 25
>> years ago with sl and sp tubing mixes with down tubes
>> used as oversized top tubes. fun stuff...
>>
>> 'spiney' norman neville
>> still new wavin' in ct
>>
>> _now_ the lesson is over.
>>
>>
>> --- Wesley Gadd <wesleygadd@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll throw in my two cents here. A typical single
>>> butted Columbus SL or 531 "C" seat tube with an
>>> outside diameter of 28.6 mm (1 1/8") and wall
>>> thickness of .9/.6 mm will have an inside diameter
>>> of 27.4mm at the seattube end. A 27.2 seatpin slides
>>> nicely into an unbrazed , raw seattube. Doing the
>>> math tells us that the .2 mm difference in diameter
>>> amounts to about .008", or about .004" radial
>>> clearance. I doubt that one could even enter a 27.4
>>> mm pin into an unbrazed .9/.6 seattube. I always
>>> thought the 27.4 size was to suit a .8/.5 seattube,
>>> or a handy fix for an overzealously "prepped" .9/.6
>>> tube.
>>> As an aside, when 853 became available, Reynolds
>>> specified a 27.2 seatpin for a .8/.5 seattube.
>>> Presumably the air hardening nature of the 853
>>> wouldn't allow for the light clean up necessary to
>>> remove the brazing/ welding distortion even a
>>> careful skilled builder would cause.
>>> Another aside- anyone ever wonder what sort of
>>> seattube Raleigh Internationals used? Didn't they
>>> take a 26.6 or something? That would indicate (
>>> with non- metric O.D.'s at least) a .9 or full 1mm
>>> wall. Double butted seat tube, maybe? And didn't
>>> Cinelli Corsa B's have a similar size?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Wes Gadd
>>> Unionville,CT
>>> spiney norman <nevilmanyeah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --- MARK wrote:
>>>
>>> > I believe Columbus (?) KL tubing used 27.4 posts
>>> >
>>> > Mark Hoffman
>>> > New Britain, CT
>>>
>>>
>>> most handbuilt, silver-brazed columbus sl-tubed
>>> frames
>>> actually need a 27.4 seatpost and the same type of
>>> frame with an sp seat tube take a 27.2 because the
>>> tube does not ovalize much if at all with the
>>> careful,
>>> low-temperature construction. brass-brazed,
>>> production-type, overcooked frames with sl seat
>>> tubes
>>> use a 27.2 and sp a 27.0.
>>>
>>> many if not most of the ill-fitting seatpost issues
>>> with high-end handbuilt columbus sl and sp frames
>>> come
>>> from the fact that some builders may not have been
>>> aware of need for the slightly larger seatpost.
>>>
>>> 'spiney' norman neville
>>> new wavin', ct
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:59:11 -0700
>> From: "Anthony Musick" <antoniclese@gmail.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]WTB: lugged track frame
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>> Hi Everyone,
>> I realize it's a long shot, but track season is just around the corner
>> and I'm hoping to find something lugged, steel, and somewhat classic
>> to race on this year. I'm not too particular - an old Colnago or an
>> old Raliegh or an old locally made piece of work would be equally
>> considered. Whatever you got, if you want rid of it let me know and I
>> will pay! Thanks!
>> Anthony Musick
>> San Diego, CA
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: Hughethornton@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
>> Message-ID: <344774.26034.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> PIVO was one of many French manufacturers who sold "faux lugged" alloy
>> stems, i.e. stems that superficially resembled a lugged steel stem, but
>> in
>> fact were a single alloy casting or forging. As I've said before, I've
>> seen nearly identical stems of this type marked with half a dozen
>> different French brands or no brand at all, and I suspect maybe a single
>> firm, pehaps one we never heard of, manufactured these for all the
>> companies that sold them.
>>
>> I am not in the least convinced that the AVA versions of these stems
>> were
>> actually made by AVA nor that they were any more prone to failure than
>> the
>> same design sold by other companies. It is true that there were several
>> variations on this design, including one in which the back end of the
>> stem
>> was open such that one can see the quill bolt through the back of the
>> stem. I think some or all such stems also had a hollow section in the
>> center extending forward to the bar clamp. One intuitively feels that
>> perhaps this particular variation might be prone to failure, although
>> I've
>> never seen any statistics to back that up. But I don't believe this
>> variation was limited to AVA, nor that all AVA faux lugged stems were of
>> this particular variation.
>>
>> I think the AVA "death stem" myth is at least partly that, and is mostly
>> based in America. This is because Peugeot, which used primarily used AVA
>> bars and stems, was the leading French marque in the American market "In
>> the Day". Some variation of the faux lugged stems marked as AVA may
>> indeed have been more prone to failure than others. Probably the
>> troublesome design would have been sold in Europe under several brand
>> names. But American consumers would have most likely experienced or
>> heard
>> of failures of such stems marked as AVA, and quite likely OE on a
>> Peugeot,
>> and therefore AVA would have been the brand regarded as a "death stem".
>>
>> I have personally never experienced a failure of a faux lugged alloy
>> stem, despite having a lot of French bikes that use them. I have,
>> however, experienced cracking of AVA bars, so I put more credence in the
>> AVA "death bars" legend.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry Moos
>> Big Spring, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hughethornton@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 18/03/2007 23:19:13 GMT Standard Time,
>> schmidi@gaponline.de writes:
>>
>> Hello List,
>> Yesterday I got a really old an wheathered light blue lightweight from
>> one of my LBS decalled "Cicli Moser Trento". It is a entry level bike
>> and i would say it was made in the fifties or sixties. It has a PIVO
>> "death-stem"
>>
>>
>> This is the first reference I have seen to a PIVO death stem. There has
>> been much correspondence on this list about AVA death stems and one
>> person
>> did
>> query whether PIVO stems were the same because of a superficially similar
>> design, but I am not aware of any confirmation.
>>
>> PIVO stems were used successfully in competition for many years, notably
>> by
>> Jacques Anquetil, and I have never had any qualms about using them on
>> various
>> Gitanes that I have owned. I currently have 2 PIVO stems showing no signs
>> of fracture or impending failure. Does anyone know for sure whether there
>> is
>> any weakness in the PIVO design?
>>
>> Hugh Thornton
>> Cheshire, England
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:20:08 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: joebz@optonline.net
>> To: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
>> Message-ID: <e147e8e519afe.460025d8@optonline.net>
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>> Rich,
>>
>> What you need is a Sutherlands third edition handbook. I say the third
>> because it usually available cheaply ($35) and covers the full gamut of
>> classic bike content. I suspect that later editions start to drop obscure
>> stuff and the earlier versions have less information. It tell you how to
>> interchange the various axles, cups and cranks and where your chainline
>> ends up.
>>
>> Joe Bender-Zanoni
>> Great Notch, NJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: r cielec
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:45 pm
>> Subject: [CR]Campag Spindle Taper Mates with ?
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>
>>> Ahoy !
>>>
>>> Ensnared in a common conundrum -
>>>
>>> Have a Campag NR/SR/GS bottom bracket.
>>>
>>> Do not have a Campag crank. So, a non-Campag may have to be
>>> the alternative. The usual European suspects: Omas, Ofmega,
>>> Galli, Gipiemme, Mavic, Zeus, long shots = Stronglight, TA (I do
>>> not think the French are compatible).
>>>
>>> Can someone point me to a reliable cross-reference table ?
>>>
>>> Is there a reliable method for measuring the crank to
>>> determine the required spindle spec' (ISO; JIC; proprietary: ?).
>>>
>>> Should I take a wax impression of the bore in the crank and
>>> measure that for taper ?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Richard Cielec
>>> Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A..
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:40:21 EDT
>> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>> Message-ID: <d4b.3150f41.33318495@aol.com>
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>>
>> I've got a Richard Moon with "653 Record" main tubes(seller's
>> description,
>> I
>>
>> don't know if there's such a thing as a Record tubeset or not) that I
>> strong
>> ly
>> suspect takes a 27.4 post. When I got it, the former owner had been
>> using
>> a
>> 27.2 post and the binder bolt ears were toed in enough to have severely
>> bent
>>
>> the bolt. I just bought a 27.4 post and it seems to fit well enough up
>> top
>>
>> but won't go in much further as yet, I suspect because of a liberal
>> applicat
>> ion
>> of a thick gummy frame preservative that I need to clean out.
>>
>> I ended up buying a Thompson post, but from looking at my catalogs, Campy
>> made a 27.4 up to 1992 if I remember right.
>>
>> Bob Hovey
>> Columbus, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/19/07 12:28:58 PM,
>> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:16:20 -0400
>>> From: "Mike Self" <self@fuse.net>
>>> To: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>,
>>> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>>> Message-ID: <005901c76a31$2cf209f0$0200a8c0@Mike>
>>> References:
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>>> Gary, I used this post in a lugged 753 Reynolds frameset.
>>>
>>> Mike Self
>>> Cincinnati, OH, USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>
>>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:49 PM
>>> Subject: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>>>
>>>
>>> >I saw a 27.4 NOS Campy seatpost go by on ebay this last week and just
>>> > finished cleaning one up for a friend. I didn't know there was such a
>> n
>>> > animal. What bike/frame tubing used/uses 27.4?
>>> >
>>> > Gary Watts
>>> > Vancouver, Washington
>>> > USA
>>> >
>>> >
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:46:09 EDT
>> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
>> Message-ID: <c9a.c9062e6.333185f1@aol.com>
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>> http://bhovey.com/
>>
>>
>> Bob Hovey
>> Columbus, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/19/07 7:41:14 PM,
>> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.or
>> g
>> writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:51:19 -0400
>>> From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
>>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>> Subject: [CR]WTB: Cinelli Type Seat Binder Bolts
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>>> Looking to purchase (3) Cinelli style seat binder bolts. Someone on the
>>> list was selling them a while ago in stainless steel. Are they still
>>> available and if so, price with shipping to CT 06071?
>>>
>>> They are for a friend, non-list member that owns a Cinellli, a Winsdor
>>> and
>> a
>>> Raysport.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Eric Elman
>>> Somers CT USA
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jack Gabus <jack_gabus@yahoo.com>
>> To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]Pieces and Parts
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>> WTT,WTB or haggle:
>>
>> Looking for some of the usual suspects:
>>
>> A pair of Barrel adjusters and Barrels for early Nuovo
>> Record brakes, also the cable tie downs along with the
>> dimpled nuts for the tie downs.
>>
>> Yeah I know needle in a hay stack. Please contact me
>> off line
>>
>> Trying to finish off a 74' Le Champion.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack (Giacomo) GabusLaguna Beach, CA jack@shermangabus.com
>> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Barry <usazorro@yahoo.com>
>> To: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>,
>> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Help me reconstruct the past ..
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>> Garth,
>>
>> I'm not above a little trial and error myself when I
>> build up wheels, but it sounds like your initial
>> attempt may have been going two spokeholes too far.
>> Also, I find that there is sometimes a bit of doubt
>> about the wheel is going to truly come together
>> properly until you have all the spokes laced and begin
>> to apply some tension to them.
>>
>> Good luck with the build,
>>
>> John Barry
>> Mechanicsburg, PA, USA
>>
>> --- Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I was given a very standard looking older low flange
>>> Suntour Hub and a
>>> set of 32 new d-butted 297 mm spokes. The spokes off
>>> the old wheel
>>> measured 297 also and the hub and rim were also
>>> unchanged from the
>>> 80's. When I tried to lace the new spokes, I
>>> couldn't get them to reach
>>> when I attempted a three cross. I eventually was
>>> forced to lace them 2
>>> cross for which the spokes poked out from the inside
>>> of the nipple
>>> about three threads. Now assuming the original wheel
>>> was laced using
>>> one of those machines that became popular around
>>> that time, could that
>>> have enabled the manufacture to have used shorter
>>> spokes than a home
>>> mechanic could? Was it standard practice to use the
>>> shortest spokes
>>> possible or to have used longer ones and then ground
>>> off the excess? I
>>> am no wheel building expert, but I laced the first
>>> sixteen spokes using
>>> the minimum of threading to assist in using the
>>> shortish spokes. The
>>> 297's seemed to come about a quarter of an inch
>>> short of meeting the
>>> nipple in 3 cross.
>>>
>>> Garth libre in Miami Fl USA
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:02:09 -0700
>> From: "ttruong2" <ttruong2@comcast.net>
>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Subject: [CR]Tire Savers- scam?
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>>
>> Did anyone buy tire savers from Mike Self? did you ever get them?
>> any phone number available?
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>> Oakland,ca
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:03:04 GMT
>> From: "tom.ward@juno.com" <tom.ward@juno.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]FS: Barum tubulars, CLB cantilevers, Bluemels, long-cage
>> ders.
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>> Hi friends, I have a few items for sale to offer to the list. I hope you
>> may enjoy reading the descriptions, even if not in the market. I've lea
>> rned a lot that way--and I may here and there succeed in being intention
>> ally or (oops) inadvertantly amusing:
>> 1.) one pair unused ("NOS") tubulars, BARUM -brand, size 650C, made in C
>> zechoslovakia circa ??--some time ago--'70s or earliest '80s(?)--they lo
>> ok like the logos were designed in Sixties or likely even before, timele
>> ss appearance suitable for a thorough restoration. Very good / excellent
>> usable condition (currently inflated and holding air for days), almost
>> as-new except a few marks (or mostly just slight "darkenings" of the rub
>> ber) on the gum-coloured sidewalls, from storage--or just light age spot
>> s. Overall effect is of quite new looking tires, despite age. Pristine l
>> ight diamond tread, ridged centre-section, size 650C, marked "Barum 27 x
>> 1 Kriterium P-B-W". $85 shipped in the U.S. (will ship anywhere; let me
>> know). Does anyone know what "P-B-W" might mean or refer to? Paris-Bres
>> t-----Wales? Peanut-Butter--uhh.... "People-Better-Worry"? Perhaps somet
>> hing to do with Pressure.
>> 2.) NOS cantilever brakes, very light, in cast aluminum alloy, by CLB. L
>> ooks like seventies work to me, or even a Sixties design, but so new loo
>> king (no patina), they may have been an eighties iteration of an earlier
>> design. Without reference material on them, I'm a bit out of my depth.
>> Anyway, similar in profile to MAFAC, but solid cast, with moderne sans-s
>> erif later "clb" logo. Complete new unused set with straddles & wires, b
>> rake shoes, all springs and bolts. $75 shipped in U.S., will ship to any
>> list colleagues worldwide.
>> 3.) Bluemels "All-Rounder" plastic fenders, "gold", with white skirt on
>> front, reflector with white housing on rear, unused "as-new" condition.
>> The are the gold-metallic numbers with a slight greenish cast, somewhat
>> swirly look also resembling "hammertone" or "hammerite" paint to some ex
>> tent. Perhaps the word "groovy" applies, but you'd need to find the righ
>> t context for these, as the color may be hard to match. These would perh
>> aps look best as items of contrast, for example, with a white or black f
>> rame. Regrets, no hardware for these, but stays and bolts are readily av
>> ailable, and I can point you to them. $39 shipped (continental U.S.).
>> 4.) Huret long-cage Duopar rear derailleur, steel model, lacks mounting
>> bolt, otherwise good used condition with small amount of "rash" to edges
>> of the body. A "user" here, although the rest of the derailleur shows l
>> ittle wear. Looks like someone put the bike on its side, though not viol
>> ently--more like pressing the derailleur body into the road, rather than
>> rubbing. Result is just little dents / bright marks to edges of body, t
>> he central portion, which is black on these (with yellow script "Huret"
>> logo with star over the "r"). Otherwise, silver in color. Actually looks
>> pretty low mileage, just needs a mounting bolt, excellent for commuter
>> or serious touring. $22 shipped.
>> 5.) Suntour XC silver-anodized long-cage derailleur. Very good / even ex
>> cellent condition, except slight loss of screen-printed logo. Light wear
>> to cage shows this derailleur has covered some mileage, but the chrome
>> bolts are perfect, everything is quite shiny, giving this used derailleu
>> r a near-new appearance. Back side of the parallelogram reads "MAEDA IND
>> . JAPAN VIA BA". Top of cage reads "pulley exchangeable system". T
>> he whole thing feels very 1981-ish to me; perhaps someone with depth in
>> Suntour catalogs can tell us something about it. Unlike the Duopar above
>> , the Suntour has all springs hidden from view. There is an adjusting sc
>> rew perpendicular to the drop-out mounting surface, allowing fine-tuning
>> of the angle of the derailleur body to the frame. Derailleur seems pret
>> ty far along the evolutionary course of friction shifting, and though li
>> ght is quite ruggedly built. Perhaps ideal for a late-70s / early '80s t
>> ouring frame. I've just about sold it back to myself at this point, but
>> also: $22 shipped (U.S.)
>> Thanks for checking these out, and please write with any questions. The
>> cantilevers are possibly the most interesting item; I believe they are v
>> ery seldom seen. The tubulars are wonderful, but are in a size that few
>> on this list will be using. The derailleurs are serviceable tools to mak
>> e those chains dance.
>> Tom Ward
>> New York, New York, U.S.A.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: [CR]27" tubular tire?
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>> i got a tubular off of ebay, it was listed as 700c-22.
>> that is not correct. the tire says 27"-22, it's a
>> continental sprinter.
>> the circumference is considerably smaller than my 28"
>> tubular tires.
>> does that sound right for a 27" tire or is it possibly
>> a 650c tire?
>>
>>
>> Jeff Piwonka
>> austin, texas, usa
>>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:23:54 -0400
> From: "Ken Sanford" <kanford@comcast.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Claud Butler Sprint
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> Greetings all
>
> I have recently upload some picts of my "new" Claud Butler sprint bike.
> Would appreciate some help in dating same.
>
> Serial number is 9115355 which sorta implies November 1949; but my
> understanding is that these long spearpoint bilaminated 'lugs' did not
> appear til 1951.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> (yea, I know that the HB stem, HB's, and seat post are not appropriate)
> Any offers for appropriate bits?
>
> Ken Sanford
> Kensington, MD
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:46:55 -0400
> From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]PBW?
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> Tom Ward wrote (in part)
>
> 1.) one pair unused ("NOS") tubulars, BARUM -brand, size 650C, made in C
> zechoslovakia circa ??--some time ago--'70s or earliest '80s(?)--they lo
> ok like the logos were designed in Sixties or likely even before, timele
> ss appearance suitable for a thorough restoration. Very good / excellent
> usable condition (currently inflated and holding air for days), almost
> as-new except a few marks (or mostly just slight "darkenings" of the rub
> ber) on the gum-coloured sidewalls, from storage--or just light age spot
> s. Overall effect is of quite new looking tires, despite age. Pristine l
> ight diamond tread, ridged centre-section, size 650C, marked "Barum 27 x
> 1 Kriterium P-B-W". $85 shipped in the U.S. (will ship anywhere; let me
> know). Does anyone know what "P-B-W" might mean or refer to? Paris-Bres
> t-----Wales? Peanut-Butter--uhh.... "People-Better-Worry"? Perhaps somet
> hing to do with Pressure.
>
> It could be the company's initials. The P stands for something along the
> lines of "Pneu," French for "tire." B is probably for Barum. Now I'm
> stuck. W could be something like "Werk" but then I am mixing French and
> German, and that seems unlikely. Possibly the city or region where Pneus
> Barum had its factory.
>
> Not quite interested enough to look for cities starting with W,
> Marcus Helman
> Huntington Woods, MI
>
>
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