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Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 52, Issue 11
Date:
4 Apr 2007 11:57:50 -0700
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> 1. Re: Derailler Hanger Tange removed - WHY? (John Thompson)
> 2. Re: bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle? (brad stockwell)
> 3. Re: Paramount Q (Kurt Sperry)
> 4. Re: bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle? (Kurt Sperry)
> 5. re: Huret Duopar (Robert Schenker)
> 6. AW: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle? (Schmid)
> 7. Re: bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle? (John Barry)
> 8. Re: Question about British cycling artist, Frank Patterson....
> (Eric Goforth)
> 9. Frank Patterson (Ray Green)
> 10. Ebay Outing (Hilary
Stone)
> 11. Re: Frank Patterson
> 12. M. G. Selbach photos wanted
> 13. Re: M. G. Selbach photos wanted (Chuck Schmidt)
From: John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org
To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Derailler Hanger Tange removed - WHY?
Date:
Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:25:13 -0500
>Amir Avitzur wrote:
>
> > An old frame arrived yesterday minus the tange/hook on the derailleur hanger
> > (Campy 1010).
> > Why would anyone file it off?
>
>Perhaps it became stripped or otherwise damaged? Or the owner wanted to
>use a derailleur that didn't quite work with the Campy hanger (e.g.
>Simplex or Huret without the special Campy D.O. adapter)?
>
> > What effect will it have on the derailleur?
>
>Assuming you can replace it, little to no
effect.
>
> > Should I braze one back on?
>
>If you have one you can use for this. Campy made a special part to
>replace damaged hangers, but they're fairly uncommon. Or you could
>sacrifice the hanger from another dropout. But the easiest fix would be
>to use a bolt-on hanger.
From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle?
Date:
Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT)
>Matteo:
>
> In your BiciSport picture marked GIMG6185, there appears to be a frame with an adjustable seat angle and I am curious if you could tell me who made it and maybe a little of what was said about it in the article?
>
> It must be an 80's frame, but I can't help but imagine Merckx in 1971 upon such a bike, approaching the end of a road stage at top speed while simultaneously adjusting both seat height and top-tube length!
>
> Brad Stockwell (but once known around
Firenze as "Zeus Lifter")
> Palo Alto Ca USA
>
>Matteo Brandi <cheroketz@libero.it> wrote:
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bees/bicisport/
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>
From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com>
Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com
To: "sasha eysymontt" <sashae@gmail.com>
CC: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Paramount Q
Date:
Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:34:23 -0700
>The headlugs were also usually chromed on Paramounts of the period.
>This is
>frequently accomplished by chroming the whole frame but just
>polishing the
>exposed bits. I don't know if Schwinn did that or not though.
>
>Kurt Sperry
>Bellingham WA
>USA
>
>
>On 4/3/07, sasha eysymontt <sashae@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On 4/3/07, John Clay <jmedclay@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Are
painted Paramounts of the mid-1970s chrome underneath?
>>
>>
>>Full chrome only if you got the full chrome option. Painted bikes
>>were
>>chrome only on the stays and fork.
>>
>>
>
>
From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com>
Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com
To: "brad stockwell" <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
CC: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle?
Date:
Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:42:06 -0700
>Link: http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>Kurt Sperry
>Bellingham WA
>USA
>
>
>On 4/3/07, brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Matteo:
>>
>> In your BiciSport picture marked GIMG6185, there appears to be
>>a frame
>>with an adjustable seat angle and I am curious if you could tell me
>>who
made
>>it and maybe a little of what was said about it in the article?
>>
>> It must be an 80's frame, but I can't help but imagine Merckx
>>in 1971
>>upon such a bike, approaching the end of a road stage at top speed
>>while
>>simultaneously adjusting both seat height and top-tube length!
>>
>>
>
>
From: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]re: Huret Duopar
Date:
Wed, 4 Apr 2007 00:25:41 -0700
>Let me chip in here. When I got the MTB bug around 1980, I wanted to
> use lots of French touring stuff. I tried some Duopars and they
>inevitably exploded--once I was forced to hike-a-bike several miles
>out of the woods. My feeling is they'll take reasonable use, but
>they have their limits. I also went through some Simplex LJs, even
>breaking the clamp band on a front. No problems with T.A.
>Cyclotouriste chainsets and no problems at all with Shimano and
>Suntour stuff.
>
>Bob Schenker
>Oakland, CA
From: "Schmid" <schmidi@gaponline.de>
To: <haxixe@gmail.com>, "'brad stockwell'" <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
CC: 'classicrendezvous' <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: AW: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle?
Date:
Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:00:19 +0200
>I just have rudimentary knowledge in Italian but i think the text next
>to the picture says it was presented by Viner....
>
>
>Michael Schmid
>Oberammergau
>Germany
>Tel.: +49 8821 798790
>Fax.:+49 8821 798791
>mail: schmid@zunterer.com
>www.zunterer.com
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von
Kurt
>Sperry
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. April 2007 04:42
>An: brad stockwell
>Cc: classicrendezvous
>Betreff: Re: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle?
>
>
>Link: http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>Kurt Sperry
>Bellingham WA
>USA
>
>
>On 4/3/07, brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Matteo:
> >
> > In your BiciSport picture marked GIMG6185, there appears to be a
> > frame with an adjustable seat angle and I am curious if you could tell
>
> > me who made it and maybe a little of what was said about it in the
> > article?
> >
> > It must be an 80's frame, but I can't help but imagine Merckx in
> > 1971 upon such
a bike, approaching the end of a road stage at top
> > speed while simultaneously adjusting both seat height and top-tube
> > length!
> >
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
From: John Barry <usazorro@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]bicisport pix- adjustable seat angle?
Date:
Wed, 4 Apr 2007 04:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
>Wouldn't that imply there's a corresponding joint at
>the bottom bracket? That must be a real mess!
>
>Regards,
>
>John Barry
>Mechanicsburg, PA, USA
>
>
>--- Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Link:
> >
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/223740-1/CIMG6185.JPG
> >
> > Kurt Sperry
> > Bellingham WA
> > USA
> >
> >
> > On 4/3/07, brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
>
> > Matteo:
> > >
> > > In your BiciSport picture marked GIMG6185,
> > there appears to be a frame
> > > with an adjustable seat angle and I am curious if
> > you could tell me who made
> > > it and maybe a little of what was said about it in
> > the article?
> > >
> > > It must be an 80's frame, but I can't help but
> > imagine Merckx in 1971
> > > upon such a bike, approaching the end of a road
> > stage at top speed while
> > > simultaneously adjusting both seat height and
> > top-tube length!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From: Eric Goforth <ewgoforth@earthlink.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Question about British cycling artist, Frank Patterson....
Date:
Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:15:24 -0400
>oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
>> They are not the same... I looked at one print, marked " Along
>>the way, in Tennyson Country" in the http://www.serigraphicsinc.com site:
>> http://www.serigraphicsinc.com/
>> Notice the distinct soft blue in the sky above the mountains.
>>Now look at the same print in Wallingford site. No color
>>whatsover....
>> http://www.wallbike.com/
>> In fact, by comparison,
not only is the Serigraphics inc softer
>>but the Wallingford version is almost anemic by comparison...
>> This whole deal is like finger nails on the chalkboard to a
>>person like me with an art background...
>
>Dale,
>
>I see blue in the sky in both pictures, it looks a bit more
>pronounced in http://www.serigraphicsinc.com/
>than in http://www.wallbike.com/
>The details in the first one are a little blurrier overall and the
>colors seem a little more pronounced than the second one. Could it
>be a difference between our monitors or are you referring to
>something more subtle about the shade of blue?
>
>-Eric
From: "Ray Green" <greenjersey@talktalk.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Frank Patterson
Date:
Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:19:56 +0100
>I have found a 1984 article by Peter Knottley, who if I remember
>correctly wrote touring articles illustrated by Patterson drawings, in
>which he writes:-
>"Frank Patterson was exclusively a black and white artist, using simple
>pen and ink and securing tone without "wash" relying on superb penwork."
>I have read that Patterson did his work from postcards and photographs
>seldom leaving his Sussex farmhouse but Knottley writes that in his
>early years Patterson was a cyclist.
>Ray Green, Harrow, Middlesex
>
>multipart/alternative
> text/plain (text body -- kept)
> text/html
>---
From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR] Ebay Outing
Date:
Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:29:04 +0100
>Below is a list of items which I've put up on Ebay. There are Campag
>brake callipers of almost all types from the 1980s and lots of NOS
>Regina freewheels. The Harden wingnuts are really rather rare as are
>the Campag Moshva 80 rims. The 1978 Kitching catalogue is one of the
>less common ones and extremely useful and I have also put up for
>sale some duplicates I have of Reynolds tubing catalogues from the
>1980s.For British bike enthusiasts the Chater Lea chainset, pedals
>and Constrictor 27in rims will all be extremely useful.
>
>The auctions finish on Sunday and are best
found using my ebay
>identity
>hilarystone or go to:
>
>
>http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfromZR6QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQga10244Z10425QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsaaffZafdefaultQQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslZhilarystoneQQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsasltZ2QQsofocusZbsQQsspagenameZhQ3ahQ3aadvsearchQ3aUk
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
> MAVIC MA2 CAMPAGNOLO VICTORY DURA-ACE FW
> SUN MANXMAN FRAME 1956 22in Strutted Bottom bracket
> SHIMANO DURA-ACE TRACK CRANKS 172.5mm NOS ex Tony Doyle
> CAMPAGNOLO NUOVO RECORD REAR GEAR Drillium Drilled out
> MAVIC MA40 700C 32H RIMS NOS
> CINELLI CORSA MODEL B c1960 60cm
> MODOLO PRO BRAKES Black 1970s/80s
> SUNTOUR WINNER 6-SPEED 13-24T FREEWHEEL NOS NIB
> REGINA
ORO 5-SPEED 15-23T FREEWHEEL NOS
> REGINA ORO 6-SPEED 14-19T FREEWHEEL NOS
> PHIL WOOD 40H REAR HUB Touring/Tandem 130mm OLD
> CAMPAGNOLO VICTORY CHAINSET c1985 170mm 43/35T
> CAMPAGNOLO SUPER RECORD BB AXLE 70mm 1st type rare
> MAVIC MA2 700C 32H RIMS NOS
> SHIMANO DURA-ACE GEARSET 6-SPEED 1985/7
> REGINA ORO 5-SPEED 14-28T FREEWHEEL NOS
> REGINA ORO 5-SPEED 14-17T FREEWHEEL NOS
> MAVIC 631 STARFISH CHAINSET 1990s 175mm
> FIAMME STEM 11cm 1960s/70s
> CAMPAGNOLO RECORD BRAKE CALLIPERS Very Pretty c1985/6
> SHIMANO DURA-ACE BRAKE CALLIPERS 1970s
> CAMPAGNOLO MOSHVA 80 700C 36H RIMS NOS Rare
> SHIMANO 600 SEATPOST 27.2mm seatpin c1987
> SELLE ITALIA TURBO TRIATHLON WHITE SADDLE
> REGINA ORO 6-SPEED 13-24T FREEWHEEL NOS
> MAFAC TANDEM CANTILEVER BRAKES Part NOS
> IL PRIMO (HOLDSWORTH)
stem BADGED
> CINELLI NO 2 TRACK 8cm STEEL HANDLEBAR STEM 1950s/60s
> CINELLI ALLOY FRAME SADDLE 1970s/80s
> CAMPAGNOLO RECORD BRAKE CALLIPERS 1978/84
> CAMPAGNOLO RECORD DELTA BRAKE CALLIPERS 1980s
> CAMPAGNOLO RECORD LARGE FLANGE TRACK HUBS 32H
> FIAMME SPRINT 32/40H RIMS 1950s/70s
> HAMILTON-BUTLER 22in ROAD FRAME 1958/9 The New Claud
> SIMPLEX PRESTIGE REAR GEAR 1962
> RON KITCHING CATALOGUE 1978 Rare Edition
> REYNOLDS TUBING CATALOGUES 1970s 531 753 653
> REGINA CORSA 5-SPEED 14-28T FREEWHEEL NOS
> HARDEN WINGNUTS (REAR) 1940s/50s
> FANCY LUG 8cm HANDLEBAR STEM 1950s
> CHATER LEA SPRINT PEDALS 1950s/60s
> CAMPAGNOLO C-RECORD COBALTO BRAKE CALLIPERS 1986 rare
> BROOKS PROFESSIONAL SADDLE 1966
> 3TTT RECORD STEM 1970s NOS NIP 10.5cm
> CONSTRICTOR ASP 27 x 1 1/4in 32/40H RIMS
1930s/60s
> CARLTON COMPETITION 20in 1981 Mint Original Paintwork
> STALLARD MALVERN ROAD FRAME 21in 1956
> REYNOLDS LEATHER TOURING SHOES SIZE 9 NOS NIB
> REGINA BX 5-SPEED 14-24T FREEWHEEL NOS
> CHATER LEA CHAINSET 165mm 42t 3/32in 1950s/60s
> CAMPAGNOLO C-RECORD BRAKE LEVERS 1985/6
> CAMPAGNOLO CROCE DAUNE CRANKSET 170mm NOS
> CAMPAGNOLO C-RECORD CHAINSET 180mm 2nd Pattern 1985/6
> BARELLI B25 PEDALS 1970s/80s
> 3TTT BARS/7cm STEM 1980s Lovely
> RESILION CANTILEVER FRONT BRAKE
> MERKENS 7.5cm STEM/STEEL TRACK BARS
> BSA REAR WHEEL WINGNUTS 1930s
> WILLIAMS 48T 1/8in CHAINRING NOS
>
>
From: <bikenut@verizon.net>
To: Ray Green <greenjersey@talktalk.net>,classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
CC: "lorne-shields@rogers.com" <lorne-shields@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Frank Patterson
Date:
Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:06:06 -0500 (CDT)
>Ray,
>Right you are.... I have a (what I believe to be) first edition
>Patterson book from the late 1940's. It's not one of the later reproductions. All of the drawings are B&W line drawings. I got
>this some time ago from the noted collector Lorne Shields.
>
>http://www.phsc.ca/shields.html
>
>I am grateful to Lorne for the many unique and special books/tomes
>I was able to purchase over the years from him.
>
>Here's to Frank and
Lorne!!
>
>Matthew Gorski
>Belmont Shore,
>California USA
>
> >From: Ray Green <greenjersey@talktalk.net>
> >Date: 2007/04/04 Wed AM 07:19:56 CDT
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: [CR]Frank Patterson
>
> >I have found a 1984 article by Peter Knottley, who if I remember
> >correctly wrote touring articles illustrated by Patterson drawings, in
> >which he writes:-
> >"Frank Patterson was exclusively a black and white artist, using simple
> >pen and ink and securing tone without "wash" relying on superb penwork."
> >I have read that Patterson did his work from postcards and photographs
> >seldom leaving his Sussex farmhouse but Knottley writes that in his
> >early years Patterson was a cyclist.
> >Ray Green, Harrow,
Middlesex
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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From: joebz@optonline.net
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: [CR]M. G. Selbach photos wanted
Date:
Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:34:17 +0000 (GMT)
>Can anyone direct me to photos or catalog repros of Selbach bicycles that are clear enough to determine the correct decal positions? I can find nothing on the web except the trike on Wooljersey.
>
>Joe Bender-Zanoni
>Great Notch, NJ
>
>
From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]M. G. Selbach photos wanted
Date:
Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:39:01 -0700
>
>On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:34 AM, joebz@optonline.net wrote:
>
>>Can anyone direct me to photos or catalog repros of Selbach
>>bicycles that are clear enough to determine the correct decal
>>positions? I can find nothing on the web except the trike on
>>Wooljersey.
>>
>>Joe Bender-Zanoni
>>Great Notch, NJ
>
>
>Placement of decals appears totally conventional:
><http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/selbach.html>
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, CA
USA
>www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
>
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