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Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 52, Issue 37
Date:
12 Apr 2007 10:32:43 -0700
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike Ian Briggs)
> 2. eBay: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike. (Mark Stevens)
> 3. Tory Werne lost contact! (Doug Smith)
> 4. ..........eBay Shimano 600/Arabesque
> 5. BVVW meeting this Saturday night in San Diego 4/14/07
> (John Pergolizzi)
> 6. re: eBay: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike.
> (Harvey Sachs)
> 7. San Francisco Bay Area C.R. Ride or "La Primavera" Saturday, 4-14
> (dave martinez)
> 8. Re:
front derailleur braze on... (John Thompson)
> 9. Mondonico pinning question
> 10. Re: NOS Masi on E-bay, Now: Cable routing (John Thompson)
> 11. Re: Mondonico pinning question (John Thompson)
> 12. Italian tricolor tape needed (Bob Freitas)
> 13. Re: Mondonico pinning question (Jim Allen)
> 14. Classic Ronde van Vlaanderen (Toni Theilmeier)
> 15. Nice Fuji Pro on eBay (Kevin Kruger)
> 16. ORPHAN NR 175mm Crank,strada,drive side ONLY,for sale $60.00
> (Martin Walsh)
> 17. parts (Steven Willis)
From: lemansgtman@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike Ian Briggs)
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:17:23 -0400
>No responses on this so far I see - so looks like everyone's baffled, but I'll pitch in by saying that this is a very interesting frameset indeed and almost Claud Butler-esque in some of the details.
>
>Not 1960s - but earlier I'd say (1950s?) - and forks strike me as being a late 70s - early 80s replacement.
>
>Ian Briggs
>LUTON - UK
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From: "Mark Stevens" <mark@lentran.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]eBay: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike.
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:18:20 +0100
>This is definitely a Paris Tour De France. Dates from the 1950's,
>made in London by Harry rensch.
>It is a bilaminated frame hence the lugwork on the head. The lugs
>and the typically Paris ''wire loop'' mudguard fixings make this a
>dead cert.
> Mark Stevens Evanton Scotland
From: Doug Smith <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk>
To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Tory Werne lost contact!
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:47:12 +0000
>I hope I'm in order by using the list to trace the E Mail address
>Tory Werne of Woodstock, GA . So Tory if you're logged on or any
>member can help I would be grateful!
>
>I tried to contact him over the last two days but my sent mail is
>being returned. He has been very kind in sending me some goods
>and I wish to thank him for them.
>
>Thank you
>Doug Smith
>North Dorset
>UK
>
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From: GRIFFKS@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]..........eBay Shimano 600/Arabesque
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:29:01 EDT
>..........have just listed various Shimano 600 Arabesque transmission/brake
>parts as a job lot on eBay (item #160105792582 or look up my screen name:
>griffks ) although generally not in high collectible demand they are
>nevertheless an attractive groupset and would look good on any cycle within the time
>frame that this list serves,
>regards
>Griff King-Spooner (London UK)
>
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From: "John Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'CR'" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]BVVW meeting this Saturday night in San Diego 4/14/07
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:35:30 -0700
>
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> ATTENTION ALL LIST MEMBERS!!!!!!!!:
>
> Well, here's the moment you've ALL been waiting for!!
>
>It's time for the sort of monthly meeting of the Brooklyn Velodrome
>Vintage Wheelmen. This IS THE West Coast version! Don't be confused;
>we're now Bi-Costal!
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> The meeting will take place on Saturday, April 14, 2007; meet
>at
6:00p.m..
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> The BVVW group is comprised of about 25 hardcore certified freaks,
>who will hangout and talk bike stuff for about 2 hours.The BVVW is a
>tangent of Gruppo Sportivo Pergolizzi.
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> This will be an informal gathering of all Southern California and
>East Coast area cyclists who share an interest in vintage bicycles and
>cycling history. As always, youse is all invited.
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>At 6:00 p.m. we'll all meet at
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>Velo Culture Used Bicycles
>5717 La Jolla Blvd
>La Jolla, Ca 92037
>858-454-0398
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> Velo Culture is owned by World renowned Sky Boyer and is located
>right on the main drag in the Bird Rock area of La Jolla. Velo Culture
>specializes in fulfilling you
fixed gear needs and will set your ride
>right! Sky, we thank you in advance for your generous hospitality.
> We will talk the old talk (1930 to 1980) of cycling, our heroes,
>and their
>bicycles and parts. The evenings main subject will be:
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>"My Favorite Bicycle"
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> So ride/ carry/ drive over with one of your favorite steeds and
>please be prepared to tell us why she holds that esteemed spot in your
>heart and under your buns. Sky prefers that ya ride over. And feel free
>to give a little 5 minute talk on the history of the marquee. Hey, this
>is all about information transference!
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> Afterwards, around 8 p.m., the group will go right next door to
>the local pizza joint for belly filling fun!
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> So please make every
effort to come on down, over, up, whatever.
>No special passwords, handshakes or badges, just get there and have fun!
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> John T. Pergolizzi,
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> BVVW Omnipotent Despot
> La Jolla, California
> 1-917-770-2025
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From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu
To: Stronglight49@aol.com,Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: re: [CR]eBay: French Italian Japanese Spanish mystery bike.
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:48:24 -0400
>Bob Hanson wrote:
>
>Too weird to fully describe here, but lots of photos on auction
>page:
>
>Item # 320102148307
>
>Fillet brazed frame with very ornate pseudo-headlugs.
>Braze-on pump pins below top tube.
>Internal cable routing for rear brake cable.
>Oiler hole atop bottom bracket.
>Two pairs of eyelets set high on seat stays.
>Pencil-point seat stay tops.
>Italian style fork with Campy fork tips &
no eyelets.
>Stamped dropouts with pull hook claws & threaded hanger.
>Clamp-on style seat tube binder.
>Chainstay protector braze-on (for leather strap)?
>
>Rust, chipped paint, and repaint looks like heavy tar.
>Mismatched components from around the world & all in poor
>condition.
>
>Seller has no clue what it is.
>VERY weird, but could be a fun project frameset.
>
>Anyone have a clue about this lump of coal... or rough diamond?
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>If I were a betting man, I'd reckon that a mike on the stem would
>read 22.0, not 22.2, and that the BB cups are 35x1. Just a guess, a
>gut feel, from the fork shape and bilaminate work, and I could well
>be wrong.
>
>If I were to win
it, might just suggest that he deposit the saddle
>and wheels in the "tip" before shipping the carcass. Given overall
>condition, I'd worry about extracting stem and seatpost. I sure
>don't plan to bid w/o more of a clean bill of health.
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va
From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
CC: "ROBERT L. FREITAS" <freitas1@pacbell.net>
Subject: [CR]San Francisco Bay Area C.R. Ride or "La Primavera" Saturday, 4-14
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:50:16 -0700 (PDT)
>Hello All,
>
> Just a reminder that theres a Woodside ride planned for this Saturday. We'll meet at Woodside School around 9:30 and depart at about 10:00. The pace will be leisure to moderate with afew hills, about 25 miles.
>
> I know that I initially stated that rain or threat of rain will cancel, well things change. As Dave Stoller once said, "I must train". So, unless its really pouring rain, I'm riding, probably taking the JT with fenders. We'll have lunch after
the ride or take refuge in cafe during the ride if the weather gets chancy.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Martinez
> Fremont Ca
> US of A
>
>
>
>
>
From: John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org
To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]front derailleur braze on...
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:10:06 -0500
>smwillis@verizon.net wrote:
>
> >> gabriel l romeu <romeug@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I remember, but i don't quite recall...The frame i am working on, a
> >> late
> >
> >> 60's early 70's Raleigh, has a cable braze on on the down tube
> >> designed
> >
> >> as a cable housing stop cupping down to the bottom bracket.
> >> somewhere, in the dark recesses of my mind, i remember that there
>
>> were front dérailleurs that had the other end housing stop
> >> integrated with the dérailleur (like rear dérailleurs). Of course,
> >> this was the late 60's and memories are rather 'fuzzy' from that
> >> time period. Did this style of FD in fact exist and are there any
> >> good pictures that shows both this mechanism and the cable routing?
>
> > http://thebikestand.com/
> > is one.
>
>The SunTour Compe-V and SL front derailleurs also used a housing and
>could be found on many bike-boom era bikes:
>
>http://www.interq.or.jp/www1/suntour/FD001/compeV03.JPG
From: TODDCIRELLI@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Mondonico pinning question
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:10:28 EDT
>Would I find evidence of Mondonico's pinning inside the seat tube, by
>pulling the seatpost, or does it require pulling the bottom bracket.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Todd Cirelli
>Mechanicsburg, PA
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
From: John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org
To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]NOS Masi on E-bay, Now: Cable routing
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:11:42 -0500
>brian blum wrote:
>
> > In this case the CPSC was right. Consistancy is important. Getting on a
> > bike and have the lever switch from your expectations is very dangerous,
> > of course if it is your bike you can change it.
>
>Maybe, although I have bikes set up both ways and don't have any problem
>going between them.
From: John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org
To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Mondonico pinning question
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:27:01 -0500
>TODDCIRELLI@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Would I find evidence of Mondonico's pinning inside the seat tube, by
> > pulling the seatpost, or does it require pulling the bottom bracket.
>
>You'll have to pull the BB to be certain, although a bright light shone
> down the seat tube might reveal pins in the lower seat tube. I'd still
>want to take a look in the down tube, though.
From: Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net>
To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]Italian tricolor tape needed
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:28:19 -0700
>Anyone have a few inches of this?
> BOB FREITAS
> MILL VALLEY,CA USA
>
>
From: Jim Allen <MotorRef@peoplepc.com>
To: TODDCIRELLI@aol.com
CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Mondonico pinning question
Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:47:30 -0700
>Todd,
>
>I think you're gonna have to pull the bb.
>
>I'll send you a picture in the morning, if the pin is close enough
>to the bb.
>
>Jim Allen
>the CycleSmiths
>Ranchita, CA
>760 782 2737
>
>TODDCIRELLI@aol.com wrote:
>>Would I find evidence of Mondonico's pinning inside the seat tube,
>>by pulling the seatpost, or does it require pulling the bottom
>>bracket.
>> Thank you.
>> Todd Cirelli
>>Mechanicsburg,
PA
>>
>>
>>
>>************************************** See what's free at
>>http://www.aol.com.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Classic Ronde van Vlaanderen
Date:
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:10 +0200
>As you may or may not be aware, there will be a short (possibly 40
>km) version of the RvV for classic bikes in Oudenaarde, Belgium, on
>Sunday, July 8.
>
>I have been alerted to this event by Hennie van Leeuwen who hopes to
>put together a "pelotonneke" (Flemish "for small group of cycle
>riders").
>
>CR members who live in Europe might want to attend; I wonder if
>Americans want to fly across the Atlantic to cycle 40 km. However,
>as the organizers expect original bikes and clothing befitting the
>event, and given the usual standard of Dutch and
Belgium cycle
>get-togethers, the outcome should be remarkable.
>
>There is a website, http://www.degoudenflandrien.be (the golden Flandrien,
>actually the title of a 250 km audax-type thing the Saturday
>before), and the organizer, who seems to be laudably enthused be the
>whole affair, can be reached under joeri.wannijn (at) crvv.be.
>
>The Oudenaarde Centre of the Tour of Flanders also has a site:
>www.crvv.be.
>
>If anyone should encounter any problems with the Flemish language,
>either Hennie or myself shall be pleased to help.
>
>Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany, where we have been told to
>expect 25 deg. C. over the weekend.
>
From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Nice Fuji Pro on eBay
Date:
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
>Not mine, but thought that other list members would appreciate a nice 60cm 1981 Fuji Pro frameset with Nervex pro-style lugs listed on eBay for what I feel is a very fair Buy-it-Now $300 price.
>
> Here's the auction address:
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> or item #190102448844.
>
> I'd probably own it now if it was my size.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
>
> Nervex pro-style
lugs,
>
>
>
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From: "Martin Walsh" <mowalsh@verizon.net>
Reply-To: Martin Walsh <mowalsh@verizon.net>
To: "CR List" <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]ORPHAN NR 175mm Crank,strada,drive side ONLY,for sale $60.00
Date:
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:01:03 -0400
>HI CR listees,
>I have one Campagnolo,NR DRIVE SIDE,STRADA,NUOVO RECORD CRANK 175mm arm
>with an 11 in a box (vintage).ONE factory DRILLED SUGINO 54 tooth
>chainring and bolts included.Bolts are not Campagnolo.Chainring and arm
>are in good condition.I would like to find a mate,if you have one for
>sale.NEED ONE 175 mm CAMPAGNOLO NR crank arm NON DRIVE SIDE or I'm
>willing to sell what I have for $60.00 plus postage.Tell me if I'm
>asking to much.Selling for a friend.I
have the crank on my desk.Pictures
>available upon request,if your serious about buying.Overall condition
>seems very good.Pedal threads seem good.No dust cover.If you have a MATE
>FOR THIS ORPHAN (175mm STRADA,Campagnolo NR, NON DRIVE SIDE in good
>condition,please send me photo and cost).Thanks!
>Yours truly,
>Marty Walsh in Vienna,Virginia,U.S.A.
>
From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]parts
Date:
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:24:20 -0400
>Well I am most of the way of getting a lot of old vintage campy and other p
>arts up on my web page. You know it is a lot of work this vintage stuff. An
>y way if you mention you are a member of the CR list you can have 10% off t
>he listed price. I have about ten more boxes to go through but I am getting
> too busy at the shop to do that now. Please do not call but only email wit
>h questions. Call when you want to order anything. Have fun!
>
>http://thebikestand.com/vint
>
>Steven Willis
>The Bike Stand
>1778 East Second Street
>Scotch Plains NJ
07076
>908-322-3330
>www.thebikestand.com