Mark,
Nice buy, whatever it is, but isn't it a bit tall for you? Looks like a long head tube!
I agree is seems Raleighish, and the main clue for me is the BB lug outline. I think Raleigh used that on frames in the late '60s/early '70s, on middle range frames. The dropouts rule out an early Grand Prix or Super Course in my mind. If they're Huret or other French I'd think Competition version 1. Internationals (loooong chainstays) and Pros (more Italian in shape) had Italian-looking lugs. Not a Falcon because of the seat-stay joining, my old Falc had the over-wrap.
The Raleighs had real long top tubes relative to seat tube. Does this baby follow suit?
I like the way the painter turned the Colnago name on the down tube up so the rider could read it, rather than sideways so the paparazzi could read it.
Were the wheels 27 inch? How did they suit the frame? If they were tight, I'd think it's newer than early '70s, into the 700C era, or intended for tubulars.
Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of FujiFish1@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:28 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Another frame needing identification - Raleigh?
Can you ID this frame please?
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OK, everyone here knows that this is NOT a Colnago, so please don't go on about that irrelevant fact, onlist. The incorrect decals with the repaint included lots of extra little delicate transfers, plainly visible just about anywhere on the bike. Mr. Painter had a surplus of decals ... and he wasn't afraid to use them! He did do a nice job with the gold lug lining. The bike was local, went unsold on Ebay, and I negotiated for it after the close.
Came with a mix of early 70s Campy Record, Schwinn Deluxe and Normandy fr & rr wheels, heavy Sugino aluminum cotterless cranks with fixed rings, TTT first logo Gran Prix bar and stem from about 1970s, etc. The frame features FEEL like about 1970 to me too. The threading is English, the drops are long Campagnolo 1010 with fender eyelets, and there are little notches in the undersides of the b.b. chain stay sockets, I assume used as tubing stops in the build process. All tubes are pinned with nails, visible through the b.b. openings. The underside of the b.b. has a five digit serial number (very difficult to read) stamped just below the down tube socket, with the numbers 70 stamped underneath them (again ...1970?). The serial numbers look like they might be 18532, but the 1 could also be a 7, and the 5 could be just about anything. Not entirely sure about the 8 and the 3 either, but it looks promising.
All that nonsense out of the way, does anyone know the features of this frame, or perhaps the serial number style? Kind of seems Raleigh Super Course-esque to me, but I'm into the Italian stuff, which is why I pose the question here. Thanks for any help or leads!
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA
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