pedal spindle marking;Latin for right is dexter, latin for left is
sinister (meaning "other")
curly moran,lancaster ca
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Today's Topics:
1. copake carpool ?? (coel canth) 2. RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61 (marie autrey) 3. Re: What Year Campag NR Headset?? - 3 Datapoints (Donald Gillies) 4. Re: '52 Herse with filled tubes - odd theories (Chuck Schmidt) 5. Re: UK bike courier delivery service (Mark Stevens) 6. Re: '52 Herse with filled tubes - odd theories (Thomas Adams) 7. reynolds transfer cock-up (simon bird) 8. Re: Respray costs. 9. dating a Merckx frame (Freek Faro) 10. Pedal spindle markings (nelson miller) 11. Outing an Italia saddle
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:53:11 -0400 From: "coel canth" <coelcanth@gmail.com> To: "CR RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]copake carpool ?? Message-ID: <44818cc20704180953s1bb616c6p3ff2b8038854c31b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
hello,
being carless, i was curious if there were any chances of hitching a ride to the copake swap this friday.. i'd chip in, of course.. i am located in northern new jersey but can meet anywhere around here new york city, as public transportation is quite efficient.
thanks
Andrei Padlowski Glen Ridge, NJ ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:01:28 -0400 From: "marie autrey" <ridingrabbit@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61 Message-ID: <380-22007431817128968@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: ridingrabbit@earthlink.net Message: 2
By the way I understood that manual tradesmen (artisans) earned far more in the US than the UK because the mafia controlled the unions. Have I got that wrong? Ray Green, Harrow, Middlesex
I'd say you've got that very wrong. I'm a union journeyman (sheet metal), daughter of a union pipefitter, who was son of a union coal miner, and we've never seen evidence of Mafia involvement. My dad did leave the Teamsters union because of its mob involvement
Marie Autrey
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]What Year Campag NR Headset?? - 3 Datapoints Message-ID: <200704181745.l3IHjmR9028794@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 3
I have some 90-100% original bikes that may help to partially pinpoint the year:
1966 Carlton Flyer - no toestrap rub or tooth wear - has a headset which lacks the <C> on the upper and lower races, but has the dashes on the locknut :
http://www.ece.ubc.ca/
1970 Raleigh International - not even tires were changed - has the <C> on the headset cup.
1974 Schwinn Paramount - i am 2nd owner/no changes - has the <C>. 1974 A-series Raleigh Pro - has the <C>, only pedals/seat changed. 1974 International - has the <C>, only 1 tire/rim changed.
So in my opinion the <C> was added sometime between 1966 and 1970.
- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:48:36 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]'52 Herse with filled tubes - odd theories Message-ID: <E68F9B65-FF13-4B07-B454-73610BC992A4@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <041820071552.17194.46263EA7000C1E2A0000432A2200761438020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> References: <041820071552.17194.46263EA7000C1E2A0000432A2200761438020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
On Apr 18, 2007, at 8:52 AM, hersefan@comcast.net wrote:
> The ideas of left over shot from blasting seem to make sense - but
> it seems to be some kind of debris of some sort.
Kind of a sad picture... Rene not even cleaning up about a half pound
of debris left inside the tubes after shot blasting the bottom bracket. I wonder how his personal hygiene habits were... oh, on second thought maybe not! Let's not go there!
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA USA http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:08:31 +0100 From: "Mark Stevens" <mark@lentran.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: UK bike courier delivery service Message-ID: <002d01c781e4$936513b0$bea86e58@DJN4ZQ0J> References: <MONKEYFOODJxArGvnCj000037b0@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Hello to all UK listers, do any of you have experience of Couriers who can collect a bike, or in my case a Tandem and deliver it unpacked from Hampshire to Scotland? Do let me know their contact details please. Mark Stevens Evanton Scotland ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]'52 Herse with filled tubes - odd theories Message-ID: <18066.89397.qm@web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <041820071552.17194.46263EA7000C1E2A0000432A2200761438020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I like this rust inhibitor scheme. Is the shot magnetic? If not, might it be some sort of water absorbant, similar to the silca gel packed into sensitive items now? Could one of our list members with some of the "shot" test it with a magnet, and then drip some water on the stuff, and see what happens?
Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
hersefan@comcast.net wrote: The theories seem to get more outlandish....
I could be wrong, but sometimes a pile of junk trapped in something is just a pile of junk...
Myself and a few friends have taken a number of Herse bikes apart - and indeed the paper in the tubes is very common. Seems to be some type of rust inhibitor scheme - that seems to have really worked. I've been amazed over the years at how well preserved Herse insides (the bikes that is) seem to be. The master knew what he was doing for sure.
What all these discs/sphere's are I really have no idea. The ideas of left over shot from blasting seem to make sense - but it seems to be some kind of debris of some sort. I can't believe that Herse would have put crud in a frame to add weight or "tune" the frame somehow - that just doesn't make logical sense.
The paper however restricts movement of whatever these things are, but I would believe that the paper and the stuff are unrealated with respect to the makers intent.
But this sure makes for interesting chat.
Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
> On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Steve Kistler wrote:
>
> > Greetings Brothers and Sisters of CR,
> > Thanks again to Dale Brown for graciously and safely storing my
> > Herse for years
> > VeloOrange has thankfully put the '52 RHerse on http://velo-
> > orange.blogspot.com/onfirm . I can confirm the same bronze disks
> > are packed in my '52 Herse's downtube. Great
> > detective work by Ray Homsky on his Herse.!! Same crepepaper
> > with tiny button sized, superthin bronze 'cymbells" Seems to be a
> > ballast to 'tune' the frame. The fork is also very heavy in the
> > crown with the cork and bronze insert for the dyno. The pitch of
> > the fork is very low compared to any other fork I have, vintage or
> > carbon. Are RHerse forks 'tuned' too?
> > Any Herse experts out there know about this??
> > Also check out the wooden 650b's with the Prior mega flanges,
> > sweeet!!
> > to be used on the Herse. Smmoooth too.
> > with Godspeed,
> > Steve Kistler in Oklahoma City, OK
>
>
> 1952 Chrome Rene Herse link should be:
>
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: simon bird <simonandonandon@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]reynolds transfer cock-up Message-ID: <904894.424.qm@web58710.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7
i've just managed to purchase at a rather high price (bloody ebay), 2 NOS 1950's reynolds transfers/decals. they're the very small 20x14.5mm ones used on raleigh record aces and some others. i thought this was the size used on gillotts. i was wrong!!! gillotts used a 32x17mm -same width different height from standard, and placed it behind the seat tube, discreetly tucked away at the top. i have photos of my frame before i had the top tube replaced and i can see now they're the wrong bloody size. i can get the repros from nick at lloyds but i'm hoping to get an original. so if anyone has one (or two) that they might like to sell me please drop me a line. or even better if someone wants the 2 mini reynolds for their RRA restoration and have what i want we'll swap.
one will do but i am interested in a pair -i'm having my other gillott road/path resprayed too at some point.
thanks
simon bird peckham london england
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:40:18 EDT From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Respray costs. Message-ID: <d45.6ad982d.3357c012@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8
In a message dated 4/18/07 12:16:58 PM, Doug Fattic writes:
> I don't know that it is necessary to describe in detail all the steps
that
> lead to a beautiful job but, if some remain convinced American
pricing isn
't
> fair, it might be worth the effort.
>
> Doug Fattic
> Niles, Michigan USA
>
>
I do believe the prices charged for a top-tier US paint job are fair, but I' d like to hear you describe the process anyway.
In fact, why not give us a two-parter... tell us what is involved in doing a
top-quality job, and also give us a history lesson on how equipment, materia ls and techniques have changed since you started.
Bob Hovey Columbus, GA
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:43:38 +0200 From: "Freek Faro" <khun.freek@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]dating a Merckx frame Message-ID: <df813d780704181143n35d8180ei114efb8767fe9683@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
Good day all!
My neighbor from the other side of our street, is bitten by the bug, and has bought a classic Eddy Merckx bike. Now that both of us have been looking at it longer and more close, questions arise.
1. It is most probably a respray, with the right decals at the wrong places, and some wrong decals. 2. It is a Merckx frame, it has all the right engravings. 3. Rear derailleur is patent 84, but this frame looks older, cause of the cable guides on top of the bb shell. OTOH, it has a braze-on fd. 4. It looks a very well made frame, nice details like the short lugs, it also has a nice compact but elegant look to it.
So my question, what model frame is this, and what vintage can it be? And any other observations of course, to give an idea of what we have here.
Any thoughts are appreciated! Here is the link to the pics:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
greetings,
Freek Faro Rotterdam Netherlands
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:45:33 -0700 From: "nelson miller" <nelsmiller@msn.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pedal spindle markings Message-ID: <BAY116-F158DFC78936237AEA1C16DC2500@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Group---- I just won the auction of a pair of WAS pedals from Peter Paine. In his description of them, he mentioned that the pedal spindles were marked S and D.. Since I have complete command of the French language and remembered that the word for either left or right began with a D--- , I asked him if they were perhaps French threaded? Voila! They were indeed French Threaded. However, he also had a pair of Campag pedals on auction, and they were also stamped S and D, and were 9/16" thread. Does anybody know what the S and D designation is on pedal spindles? (I understand S and M)
Cheers and Thanks--- Nelson Miller // Seattle // USA
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:53:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: worthy2@earthlink.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Outing an Italia saddle Message-ID: <9175362.1176922436371.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: worthy2@earthlink.net Message: 11
Gentlemen and ladies,
With Cirque fast approaching, I thought I should offer this old ITALIA
leather saddle to somebody who needs one to complete a correct 50's or
60s Italian bike. As the pics show, this is a veteran, leather has
surface crackling and wounds, the chrome is faily rusty on the rails,
but I've seen a lot worse examples, too. I was about to launch this on
ebay (and a very lovely Ideale "Swallow" with Daniel Rebour treatment),
but I thought this ITALIA A-17 might find a quicker home with a CR
lister, first.
Since I have to set a price, I'm going to high-ball it as $100
(shipping included in CONUS), but this is just to satisfy the rules. if
you want it I'm open to offers, or I'll let ebay decide what it's
worth.
Pics are at:
http://velospace.org/
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