Sean,
You need to get real man; orange or green would be the color of mold and rot would it not. We have White Walls in that size! You could paint them; honest, but that wouldn't be cricket now would it. We are old phart bike central for this style as we are the importers for Pashley Handbuilt Cycles; "not your fathers $1000 3 speed" we like to say. I don't remember the cost but they are cheap (and good).
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:32:54 -0700 From: "sean flores" <seaneee175@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Tires for english 3 speeds other than harris/lickbike
Hey all. I'm rebuilding an old Hercules 3sp and I'm looking for sources for 26 1 3/8" tires other than Harris and Lickbike. Not that I am opposed to purchasing from either one, I just want to see what my options are. I would love to find some old colored ones (orange, green), but would just like to check out what I can get. Thanks in advance.
Sean Flores San Francisco, CA USA
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1. RE: Was: Adopt these bikes!. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... (Mark Bulgier) 2. WTB: Campagnolo pista chainring bolts (Anthony Bier) 3. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... (Via Bicycle) 4. Was:: Campy shifter thingamajig. Now: tales of conquest (?) 5. Re: Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... (Fred Rednor) 6. Tires for english 3 speeds other than harris/lickbike (sean flores) 7. One more 3sp question- correct brakes (sean flores) 8. Re: Tires for english 3 speeds other than harris/lickbike 9. Re: Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... (Via Bicycle) 10. question about Cantilever brake set on Ebay (Via Bicycle) 11. Campagnolo pump heads /which ones? (Steve Birmingham) 12. Bill Noda ? Luke Anichni? (Raymond Dobbins) 13. Reynolds 531 vs. Columbus SL 14. Re: Re: Early Cinelli Workmanship (Donald Gillies) 15. Re: Reynolds 531 vs. Columbus SL (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:00:06 -0700 From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net> To: <bikenut@verizon.net>, <oroboyz@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR] Was: Adopt these bikes!. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064575@hippy.home.here> In-Reply-To: <16201042.1780751180548145701.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> References: <16201042.1780751180548145701.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Precedence: list Message: 1
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:09:10 -0400 From: "Anthony Bier" <scratcheduprecord@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB: Campagnolo pista chainring bolts Message-ID: <BAY131-F112636B2E49CD154AA35D0BA2E0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
Hello all,
My Marinoni Pista is almost complete save for 2 CAMPAGNOLO PATENT pista chainring bolts, I happen to have 3 so I only NEED 2 but would buy a set of 5 also (as I am sure you would not want to sell only 2 of a set). Thanks!
Anthony Bier Vancouver, BC
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:01 -0400 From: "Via Bicycle" <viabicycle@gmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... Message-ID: <755971e20705301220v4a00b2b9j4256ce154be57183@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
We have a couple of them left. I thought about setting up a bike with them on both sides as well. They came with Gran Turismo rear derailleurs in the box. We had parts to make them into shifters as well. Kinda neat, seem appropriate to be with the Chrome Gran Turismo rear derailleur. ralph w philadelphia, PA via bicycles
On 5/30/07, bikenut@verizon.net <bikenut@verizon.net> wrote:
> Dale,
> I've wondered as well...could be the mythical Elefantino shifter?
> I bought this Jack Taylor on a business trip to Denver back around
> 1995... I was in a training class....I got the yellow pages at
> lunchtime (this was before the WWW boy and girls) and picked the
> closest bicycle shop with obvious mojo and hoofed it 2 or so miles.
> Hoofing it meaning I was wearing laceup wingtips and a suit (another
> relic of ancient history) The shop was American Cyclery (of Denver)
> I made nice with the owner and found the used bikes. There were
> several but this rang my bell. He held it for me while I went to the
> bank the next day...ATM weren't yet on every corner yet. I walked or
> rode to his shop 3or 4 times that week. By the end he gave me a
> Simplex Competition, a Tour de France and a few other olde goodies to
> take home with it....(I had been coincidently in the basement of
> American Cyclery just a few months before rummaging for old stuff on
> yet another business trip just before Bradley bought the place.) I
> don't think I got to run wild in that Denver basement but there were
> treasures. Luckily he packed and shipped the JT for me...even gave me
> and the bike a ride to my hotel the day I was heading home....it was
> snowing after all~
>
> Anyway~ about that shifter I have only seen 1 or 2 others.... Ray
> Etherton or Martin Coopland had some at one point..and maybe the fine
> gents at Via bikes in Philly as well. It's worth the price just for
> the odd shifter and the story of the "Business Trip Taylor" ! I used
> to ride it all the time but it's a hair tall for me and I, after
> buying that first Jack Taylor, have bought and sold dozens since. I
> have a half dozen Taylors left.
>
> Sorry for the long story/short answer! See ya'll at the Cirque!
>
> Matty Gorski
> Belmont Shore,
> CA USA
>
>
>
>> From: oroboyz@aol.com
>> Date: 2007/05/30 Wed PM 12:27:50 CDT
>> To: bikenut@verizon.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Was: Adopt these bikes!. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig...
>
>> Wow, Matti you have some neato cool stuff there at auction..
>>
>> Hey, I thought I had seen everything but on your (really nice) Jack
>> Taylor touring bike, I see this:
>>
>> http://i8.ebayimg.com/
>>
>> What's the story on that plate on the RH shifter? After market or
>> Campagnolo made? What for?
>>
>> Dale Brown
>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bikenut@verizon.net
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:02 am
>> Subject: [CR]FA: Urgent Plea!! Adopt these bikes!!
>>
>> Folks,
>> The time has come to thin the herd so I have many bicycles and
>> frames offered FA to suit many sizes and fancies. Please ask
>> questions and if a CR list member should win an auction I will
>> massage the price or shipping depending on the bicycle. With all of
>> the
>> Motobecane Addicts out there I'm shocked this lighted shop sigh
>> hasn't garnered more attention.
>>
>> Motobecane http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> Each of the bikes and frames have a story and I'm sad to see them go.
>> Some have
>> been with me a loooong time!! Give them good homes and ride them
>> well!! I'm
>> listing bikes under 2 different ID's so please check them both...some
>> of the
>> frames are close to the one
>> day remaining mark! Some of the proceeds will be sponsoring my Cirque
>> adventure
>> (maybe Pebbele Beach too) so bid now, bid early
>> and bid often!! (forgive unabashed plea!)
>>
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> Auctions for Raleigh Pro, Competition, Jack Taylor Tandem and
>> Super Tourist, Colnago Superissimo & Master, Rigi, Gios Torino,
>> Schwinn Paramount, Super Mondia, Medici, RIH, Austro-Daimler,
>> Schwinn Continental w/ Suicide Shifter, Ephgrave and on....
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>> _W0QQfrppZ25QQfrtsZ0QQsassZfarwestQ5fmilanoQ5fcc
>>
>> Alex Singer, Gilles Berthoud, FH Scott, Carridice
>> Hobbs of Barbican (Help-is this a pre-war Continental??)
>>
>> Matthew Gorski
>> Belmont Shore
>> California USA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:26:58 -0400 From: oroboyz@aol.com To: bikenut@verizon.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Was:: Campy shifter thingamajig. Now: tales of conquest (?) Message-ID: <8C97107A02A5F90-1330-BBCE@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <16201042.1780751180548145701.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> References: <16201042.1780751180548145701.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Great story! Thanks Matty...
I bet many of us could tell neat tales of "how we came upon" old bikes and goodies...
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA
-----Original Message----- From: bikenut@verizon.net To: oroboyz@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; bikenut@verizon.net Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 2:02 pm Subject: Re: Was: Adopt these bikes!. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig...
Dale, I've wondered as well...could be the mythical Elefantino shifter? I bought this Jack Taylor on a business trip to Denver back around 1995... I was in a training class....I got the yellow pages at lunchtime (this was before the WWW boy and girls) and picked the closest bicycle shop with obvious mojo and hoofed it 2 or so miles. Hoofing it meaning I was wearing laceup wingtips and a suit (another relic of ancient history) The shop was American Cyclery (of Denver) I made nice with the owner and found the used bikes. There were several but this rang my bell. He held it for me while I went to the bank the next day...ATM weren't yet on every corner yet. I walked or rode to his shop 3or 4 times that week. By the end he gave me a Simplex Competition, a Tour de France and a few other olde goodies to take home with it....(I had been coincidently in the basement of American Cyclery just a few months before rummaging for old stuff on yet another business trip just before Bradley bought the place.) I don't think I got to run wild in that Denver basement but there were treasures. Luckily he packed and shipped the JT for me...even gave me and the bike a ride to my hotel the day I was heading home....it was snowing after all~
Anyway~ about that shifter I have only seen 1 or 2 others.... Ray Etherton or Martin Coopland had some at one point..and maybe the fine gents at Via bikes in Philly as well. It's worth the price just for the odd shifter and the story of the "Business Trip Taylor" ! I used to ride it all the time but it's a hair tall for me and I, after buying that first Jack Taylor, have bought and sold dozens since. I have a half dozen Taylors left.
Sorry for the long story/short answer! See ya'll at the Cirque!
Matty Gorski Belmont Shore, CA USA
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> Date: 2007/05/30 Wed PM 12:27:50 CDT
> To: bikenut@verizon.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Was: Adopt these bikes!. Now: Campy shifter thingamajig...
> Wow, Matti you have some neato cool stuff there at auction..
>
> Hey, I thought I had seen everything but on your (really nice) Jack
> Taylor
touring bike, I see this:
>
> http://i8.ebayimg.com/
>
> What's the story on that plate on the RH shifter? After market or
> Campagnolo
made? What for?
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bikenut@verizon.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:02 am
> Subject: [CR]FA: Urgent Plea!! Adopt these bikes!!
>
> Folks,
> The time has come to thin the herd so I have many bicycles and
> frames offered FA to suit many sizes and fancies. Please ask
> questions and if a CR list member should win an auction I will
> massage the price or shipping depending on the bicycle. With all of the
> Motobecane Addicts out there I'm shocked this lighted shop sigh
> hasn't garnered more attention.
>
> Motobecane http://tinyurl.com/
>
> Each of the bikes and frames have a story and I'm sad to see them go.
> Some
have
> been with me a loooong time!! Give them good homes and ride them
> well!! I'm
> listing bikes under 2 different ID's so please check them both...some
> of the
> frames are close to the one
> day remaining mark! Some of the proceeds will be sponsoring my Cirque
> adventure
> (maybe Pebbele Beach too) so bid now, bid early
> and bid often!! (forgive unabashed plea!)
>
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Auctions for Raleigh Pro, Competition, Jack Taylor Tandem and
> Super Tourist, Colnago Superissimo & Master, Rigi, Gios Torino,
> Schwinn Paramount, Super Mondia, Medici, RIH, Austro-Daimler,
> Schwinn Continental w/ Suicide Shifter, Ephgrave and on....
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Alex Singer, Gilles Berthoud, FH Scott, Carridice
> Hobbs of Barbican (Help-is this a pre-war Continental??)
>
> Matthew Gorski
> Belmont Shore
> California USA
> _______________________________________________
> offers free
email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... Message-ID: <591598.77363.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <755971e20705301220v4a00b2b9j4256ce154be57183@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
With respet to
http://bulgier.net/
and
> We have a couple of them left. I thought about setting
> up a bike with them on both sides as well. They came
> with Gran Turismo rear derailleurs in the box.
> We had parts to make them into shifters as well. Kinda
> neat, seem appropriate to be with the Chrome Gran
> Turismo rear derailleur.
So what function does this big, round thing actually perform? Or is it merely ornamental in nature? Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:32:54 -0700 From: "sean flores" <seaneee175@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Tires for english 3 speeds other than harris/lickbike Message-ID: <bf9c665a0705301232h685b7f42qe126d335d112577a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Hey all. I'm rebuilding an old Hercules 3sp and I'm looking for sources for 26 1 3/8" tires other than Harris and Lickbike. Not that I am opposed to purchasing from either one, I just want to see what my options are. I would love to find some old colored ones (orange, green), but would just like to check out what I can get. Thanks in advance.
Sean Flores San Francisco, CA USA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:38:49 -0700 From: "sean flores" <seaneee175@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]One more 3sp question- correct brakes Message-ID: <bf9c665a0705301238m7b55aa4h8e6e107fe633b105@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
One more question about the Hercules rebuild.
But first, some background. It's a 1960's? AMF imported Hercules with the Hercules chainguard, not the Raleigh one.
What would be the correct type of brakes for this bike? It's missing both, or rather, I bought the bike about 10 years ago, pulled the brakes off to clean them, and subsequently lost them. Additionally, I have no idea what they looked like.
Any help would be appreciated. I'm also thinking of breaking tradition and going with some universal or mafac side pulls as I really like their stopping power.
Thanks.
Sean Flores San Francisco, CA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:39:17 +0000 From: freesound@comcast.net To: "sean flores" <seaneee175@gmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Tires for english 3 speeds other than harris/lickbike Message-ID: <053020071939.19179.465DD2E5000919C600004AEB22134843730B029A019C0A0A9D00 @comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Colored tires for English-style 3-speeds are not something I can recall - not popular in the late '50s thru 'mid -80's afaik!
Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI
> Hey all. I'm rebuilding an old Hercules 3sp and I'm looking for
> sources for
> 26 1 3/8" tires other than Harris and Lickbike. Not that I am opposed
> to
> purchasing from either one, I just want to see what my options are. I
> would
> love to find some old colored ones (orange, green), but would just
> like to
> check out what I can get. Thanks in advance.
>
> Sean Flores
> San Francisco, CA
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:42:01 -0400 From: "Via Bicycle" <viabicycle@gmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Now: Campy shifter thingamajig... Message-ID: <755971e20705301242mf58b01esabd3a9ec15d1b884@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <591598.77363.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <755971e20705301220v4a00b2b9j4256ce154be57183@mail.gmail.com> <591598.77363.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
Just looks good. not functional, just like the rear derailleur, looks better than it actually performs. they shifter plate does not move, just adds some chrome to the shifter area. ralph w philadelphia, PA
On 5/30/07, Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With respet to
> http://bulgier.net/
>
> and
>> We have a couple of them left. I thought about setting
>> up a bike with them on both sides as well. They came
>> with Gran Turismo rear derailleurs in the box.
>> We had parts to make them into shifters as well. Kinda
>> neat, seem appropriate to be with the Chrome Gran
>> Turismo rear derailleur.
>
> So what function does this big, round thing actually perform?
> Or is it merely ornamental in nature?
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:43:03 -0400 From: "Via Bicycle" <viabicycle@gmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]question about Cantilever brake set on Ebay Message-ID: <755971e20705301243y11c3fd29mc538a3ebf116e131@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10
Seller claims they are early french brakes, that mount to similar
studs as ones mounted for Mafac Racers??? am I missing something and
could I be totally wrong?
http://ebay.com/
they appear to be 1980s Weinmann or something cheaper? Older brakes generally had longer brake pads as the older brakes were not as effective so they made up for that with more surface area on the rims. and did not use phillips head screws?? If they were mounted on the fork shown in the picture wouldn't the pads be above the fender, let alone the tire and rim. seller said I was wrong? I see that they cannot mount to a normal cantilever boss because of the spring placement. maybe they were mounted to a plate. I cannot imagine special brazeons, anyone have experience? I have a pair myself and they appear to be made of some cheap potmetal, like 1970s Simplex Prestige parts. ralph w philadelphia, PA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:00:58 -0400 From: "Steve Birmingham" <sbirmingham@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo pump heads /which ones? Message-ID: <004401c7a2f5$3decba00$b9c62e00$@com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODrme8fV9Ut00000d57@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODrme8fV9Ut00000d57@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
I just got a big batch of Campagnolo pump heads, but I'm a bit confused as to which ones they are.
The catalogs show French as 7x1 OR 5x1 thread, and british as 7/32 OR 7x1 thread. The ones I have measure about 5.3mm od(.209) which is a bit big for 5x1, and a bit small for 7/32. Short of buying a few pumps, is there an easier way to tell which they are. And why would the catalog be so vague?
I put up a picture here Http://www.mindspring.com/~sblackstone/pumphead.jpg
Thanks, Steve Birmingham Lowell, Ma USA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bill Noda ? Luke Anichni? Message-ID: <602064.17371.qm@web60415.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12
Hi guys,
Somebody sent me pics of a 73-74 Colnago Super, which had these two names on different decals - Bill Noda and Luke Anichni (spelling doesn't seem right on this one). Does anybody recognize these names?
Thanks,
Ray Dobbins Currently in Lima, Peru, soon to return to Miami, Florida, USA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:27:08 -0500 From: <jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Reynolds 531 vs. Columbus SL Message-ID: <5p5kll$l5ab5@rrcs-agw-02b.hrndva.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
An friend of mine and I were talking about bikes last night and he asked, "wasn't the Columbus SL tubing allways lighter than Reynolds 531?" I couldn't give a definitive answer. My inclination was to agree. However, I have a digital scale that is on my bike stand and thought about some of the bare frames (sans forks) that I have weighed. The Colnagos built with SL are typically around 1900 grams but so are the Masi's built with 531. A Windsor I just bought made of SL is actually heavier than a Raysport I have made of 531.
Does anyone know of standardized tubing weight measures between 531 and SL for comparison?
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Early Cinelli Workmanship Message-ID: <200705302028.l4UKSb36017705@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 14
Ok, mea culpa, i somehow missed the explanation by the seller. I was also unable to find any _good_ cuts in the stem, and although i thought at least one was home made, i guess _all_ the pix are of home made cuts. Never mind, sorry.
- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Reynolds 531 vs. Columbus SL Message-ID: <304751.37812.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5p5kll$l5ab5@rrcs-agw-02b.hrndva.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 15
I don't think one can really answer that, since 531 itself varied. In the 60's and 70's, Reynolds made both metric and English 531 tubesets, with different dimensions - pretty sure the metric gauge was lighter. They also drew custom tubing for bikes like Bates and issued special decals for Jack Taylor, Schwinn and Raleigh among other, which might have implied some customization of the tubesets themselves. Later, there were such variations as 531 SL, 531 Pro, 531c and 531 ST (Special Tourist). So to compare Columbus to 531 you have to say "which 531".
Regards,
Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX
jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com wrote: An friend of mine and I were talking about bikes last night and he asked, "wasn't the Columbus SL tubing allways lighter than Reynolds 531?" I couldn't give a definitive answer. My inclination was to agree. However, I have a digital scale that is on my bike stand and thought about some of the bare frames (sans forks) that I have weighed. The Colnagos built with SL are typically around 1900 grams but so are the Masi's built with 531. A Windsor I just bought made of SL is actually heavier than a Raysport I have made of 531.
Does anyone know of standardized tubing weight measures between 531 and SL for comparison?
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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