Re: [CR]Mysteries of framebuilding

(Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer)

From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:36:22 GMT
To: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CR]Mysteries of framebuilding
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Bob,

Great examples. You hit the head right on the nail! ;-)

If I could do as the quilter did (alas, I'm not a receptionist), I

would do so also. The pleasure and satisfaction of spending enough

time on a frame to make it purposful and unique at the same time is

satisfaction enough to feed the soul and give purpose to life. The

only standards that I have lowered in order to continue as I do are my

standard of living. There are other ways to approach the situation,

but the system I abide by works for me.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- BobHoveyGa@aol.com wrote:


> How does making a profit hinder an artisan from producing quality

work?

Oh, Nick, Nick, are we stirring the pot again? Hee hee... I know how

much

we both love to see these interesting questions debated on the

list ;-)

I agree with Doug completely, and I've seen far more real-world

evidence to

back up what he's saying than I would care to acknowledge. So many

talented

and meticulous artists and craftsmen have priced themselves out of the

market

because they they worked to their own (perhaps unreasonably high)

standards,

therefore they had trouble selling their work at a living wage or

attracting the

requisite number of buyers. It then became necessary for them to

either

lower their standards or subsidize their art with another job that

kept the bills

paid, thus relegating their one true love to what others might

call "hobby"

status.

Having a primary job (like Berry's bike shop) sometimes works out well

for

all concerned... the buyer gets a far better deal than he would

otherwise (how

much would a frame cost if the builder only produced three or four

frames a

year with no other source of income, would he be able to sell enough

$15,000-20,000 frames to stay in business?) and the seller is free to

work to whatever

level of quality or detail he sees fit without nagging concerns that

the bills

will not get paid.

Sometimes the fields of endeavor are unrelated (an example might be

Richard

Moon's day job at Intel(?), with framebuilding on the side), or are

somewhat

related (Berry's bike shop/framebuilding) or perhaps they are the very

same

product, differing only in the price tier (when I had my pottery

studio I produced

high priced but still unprofitable gallery porcelain and lower priced

bread

and butter stoneware, both at the same time. The porcelain gave me

fulfillment and satisfaction, the stoneware gave me a roof over my

head).


> If it was in fact true; their best work would be free.

This is sometimes true, in fact perhaps far more often than many folks

in our

profit-oriented society might suspect. I knew a wonderful quilter

who

worked as a receptionist and gave her quilts away only to those she

felt would

appreciate them. She would spend several hundred hours on a quilt

and for her it

was all about love, so she was not about to hand it over to strangers

for

money.

Bob Hovey Columbus, GA USA

How does making a profit hinder an artisan from producing quality work?

I have heard this mentioned from several other sources and have a

difficult

time comprehending this thought process.

If it was in fact true; their best work would be free.

Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga.USA

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