Re: [CR]Re: Cloisonne goodness from Cinelli (er, correction)

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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:23:37 -0700
From: "Tam Pham" <terminaut@gmail.com>
To: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Cloisonne goodness from Cinelli (er, correction)
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cc: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Here's a ginormous photo of my big blue head badge with a little better lighting to see the details.

http://chainedrevolution.com/CS/photos/terminaut/images/244/original.aspx

I'm pretty sure it's the same type of enameling as the blue stem badge. Both badges have a very thick profile (1.1mm for the stem badge and 1.3mm for the head badge). Standard Cinelli badges seem to be only about 0.4mm thick.

Tam Pham Huntington Beach, CA - USA

On 7/7/07, Tam Pham <terminaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/7/07, Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Another correction...
> > < http://blog.honeyee.com/eric/archives/images/cinellibluestembadge1_2-
> > thumb.jpg>
> >
> > Here's a photo of an actual cloisonne Cinelli badge.
>
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> The stem badge in that photo is identical to the stem badge (which was
> bought from Steven Maasland) on the far right in my photo. Its enameling
> process seems to be the same as the bigger 57mm head badge to the left of it
> but unfortunately the lighting in my photo doesn't show the glassy looks
> properly.
>
> Anyways, I think in the true sense of cloisonne these badges do not
> comply. A key factor seems to be that the somewhat specialized act of
> creating partitions (ie. cloisons) is integral to the process of creating
> cloisonne pieces. The Cinelli badges are merely *cast* pieces filled with
> frit/enamel.
>
> It's all semantics really and as long as we know what we're talking about
> it's all good by me.
>
> Tam Pham
> Huntington Beach, CA - USA