Can anybody tell me what a fair price in on a 8/10 condition Raleigh Pro with Nuovo Record? Be easy on my ladies and gents, I am a newbie here!
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nancy Burghart, national champion from Jackson Heights (Edward Albert) 2. Re: Don Mitchell Stump #3 (CyclArt Shop) 3. Re: Removing Annodized Finish (Mark Stonich) 4. can anybody date this Bianchi (Arno Volkers) 5. Re: Peugeot PX-10 Seat Post (John Betmanis) 6. Anyone traveling to Paris in the near future? (Paul Roy) 7. KOF? Peugeot (james young) 8. WTB: Cinelli #2/#3 chromed track stem (100-120mm) (sasha eysymontt) 9. Re:Mystery Bianchi (ROBERT FREITAS) 10. RE: Re:Mystery Bianchi (Arno Volkers) 11. Re: KOF? Peugeot (Fred Rednor) 12. Re: Peugeot PX-10 Seat Post (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 13. Braze-on removal (Tim Chauran) 14. Fwd: [CR]Braze-on removal (Art Link) 15. FOR SALE: Cuevas 55cm
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:13:13 -0400 From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <MSilver@iso.com> Subject: Re: [CR]Nancy Burghart, national champion from Jackson Heights Message-ID: <s694f3ad.063@GW15.hofstra.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
Since eagle eyed Mr. Silver spotted the material on Nancy Burghart, I replied but left much out. Thinking about it, since I did chime in, it now seems a good time to introduce it. As I mentioned Nancy is going to be inducted into the US Bicycling Hall of Fame at a Dinner being held in New Brunswick, New Jersey in October. Some of you may know that both stalwart list member Joe Bender Zanoni and I are both on the Board of Directors of this organization. I have held off posting info about this insofar as the Hall has been homeless (physically) for some time but will, I hope, have one in the near future. As you all know, our own Ted Ernst was inducted into the Hall last year. Once the Hall is ensconced in permanent digs I am hoping to solicit the considerable knowledge and skill of the list in helping to expand its collection of material related to the history of U.S. bicycle racing. Especially as it relates to club histories and the stories of individual racers. In any case, my purpose now it to invite all of you to attend the October festivities. There will be a famous speaker (whose name I am unsure I am able to annunce quite yet). It would be really wonderful if we could put together a table of CR folks. This is something we should really support even though inductees are not always within our timeline. For example, another of this years inductees will be Dale Stetina who I guess, now that I think about it, raced within the timeframe of the CR list. The date of the dinner is October 20th and I will say more when tickets become available. If anyone is interested in more information please contact me off list. Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY, USA ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:30:44 -0700 From: "CyclArt Shop" <shop@cyclart.com> To: "C R List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Don Mitchell Stump #3 Message-ID: <DAECJCGMAPNDNDBOEMIKEEOEFLAA.shop@cyclart.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: shop@cyclart.com Message: 2
Nice work cleaning up Don Mitchell's Art Stump, David!
For the Curious:
Don Mitchell was a dear sweet man, funny, highly intelligent and articulate. Don was WW2 Marine, then a very successful litigation and appeals attorney. He was also a dedicated cyclist, not just a collector. He was kind, patient and generous as a customer of Confente and CyclArt. We always had the impression that he wanted our best but that supporting our efforts was part of the joy he took from his collecting. Don's collection consisted entirely of purchases he made when the items were new and state of the art. Don would contact manufacturers in advance of trade shows in New York or Los Angeles and arrange for their show bikes to be in his size. He would pick them up at the close of the show. He prepared and displayed bikes with great enthusiasm in our "Concours d'CyclArt" show series that we did from 1984 to 1997. We really miss him.
We still have other things here from Don's collection, including a pristine early Klein Road bike, an anniversary Colnago Master, a Graftek, an early pre-prototype carbon tube bike that was developed by Aldila but never produced, a Follis labeled Teledyne Titan, and an Alan with all the trick lightweight stuff then available including an Art Stump reworked gruppo. He collected lots of engraved, drilled or black anodized stuff, titanium bottom brackets and lightweight freewheels. Some of it is listed in our store.
Jim Cunningham
CyclArt
Vista, CA USA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:31:50 -0500 From: Mark Stonich <bikesmith@earthlink.net> To: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> Cc: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Removing Annodized Finish Message-ID: <E1I8hzG-0003z1-00@pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200707111754.l6BHsxAJ009285@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> References: <200707111754.l6BHsxAJ009285@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
At 7/11/2007 10:54 AM -0700, Donald Gillies wrote:
>I thought that everything made by "Blackburn" had to be "Black". At
>least it seemed that way to me, as a kid, back in the 1970's. If you
>strip the black anodizing from a blackburn rack, all sense of the bike
>being unmolested or quasi-original would be lost, wouldn't it ??
>
>Just checking, not criticizing ...
Originally the racks were silver finish. Didn't have the stainless sliders, just an aluminum rod that didn't adjust, which fit over your brake bolt. It was a bitch to get them to fit a lot of bikes. Still have one on my '76 Super Course Mk II.
I remember when the started coming in black and thinking that the finish wouldn't hold up.
Mark Stonich; BikeSmith Design & Fabrication 5349 Elliot Ave S. - Minneapolis. MN 55417 Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com http://mnhpva.org
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:43:24 +0000 From: "Arno Volkers" <arnovolkers@hotmail.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]can anybody date this Bianchi Message-ID: <BAY121-F32194E76A30615E5043161A7040@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <E1I8hzG-0003z1-00@pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Hello Everybody,
can anybody date this Bianchi, the frame number is engraved under the headset and says: L96125 IT came with campy nouvo record from 1974, but the frame is probably older. It has Universal Extra brakes, a variant i've never seen.
this is the link for photo's:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
thanx
arno volkers Eindhovenlaan 3 5224 VG Den Bosch The Netherlands
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:56:04 -0400 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeot PX-10 Seat Post Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20070711155604.0130dcb8@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4E0500E0@Exchange-SVR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
At 12:31 PM 11/07/2007 -0500, John Hurley wrote:
>Many suggested PX-10 seat post should be 26.4, not 26.2mm. Existing
>post is English-made; no diameter inscribed.
What does it measure?
>while I don't think anyone squeezed the lug, that is still a
>possibility. Perhaps someone could tell from the photo whether the lug
>looks squeezed. Here's a picture of the existing setup:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/7665899@N05/489017510/
Hard to say from that angle. Usually you'd see cracked paint. Try measuring
the width of the slot in the seat lug at the top and bottom to see if
there's a significant difference (more than 0.2 mm because it it will be
narrower at the top once the clearance has been taken up).
>I have an SR Laprade post inscribed 26.4, and it doesn't want to go in.
I got rid of of the original low quality seat post and clamp on my Jeunet gaspipe track bike and replaced it with a SR Laprade post which I had to machine down to 26.4 to make it fit. I probably measured the original seatpost to come up with that diameter.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Roy <elroi170@snet.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Anyone traveling to Paris in the near future? Message-ID: <881795.48320.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
who would be willing to pick up an on topic bike and ship it to Connecticut? I'm happy to pay all expenses associated with pick up and shipment (excluding air fare of course) and for your time and agrrevation. Thank for any assistance you can give me.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:12:53 +0000 From: "james young" <jimbobadahey@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]KOF? Peugeot Message-ID: <BAY102-F3162EFFC74AC1F5AD79E34DE040@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
Hello all,
I realise that the bike I am about to talk about is off topic, but I hope you will consider it to be KOF. In one of my better ebay (250131915384) purchases, I have acquired a Peugeot 753 Chorus road bike, in very good original condition, apart from the transmission which has been replaced with
Dura Ace. I remember lusting after one of these machines in the LBS around the late '80s, if my memory serves me correctly. Can anyone confirm this dating? Also, does anyone know who built them and where? I wondered at the time about Peugeot doing 753 work in house, getting certification from Reynolds or whether the framebuilding was subcontracted out to an other builder? I plan to replace the transmission with a rather nice Mavic SSC unit I have lying around unused at the moment - not original spec, I know, but I think it will look the part nonetheless.
Best Regards,
Jim Young Edinburgh, Scotland.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:20:18 -0400 From: "sasha eysymontt" <sashae@gmail.com> To: "classic rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WTB: Cinelli #2/#3 chromed track stem (100-120mm) Message-ID: <1e4701b80707111320j5a6662ccideaa8223b9df21ba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
I'm trying to help a friend finish off a Pogliaghi restoration, and I'm trying to hunt down a #2 or #3 chromed Cinelli track stem in good condition, from 100mm to 120mm, with or without the enamelled badge. Please contact me off-list if you have one available.
thanks!
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:28:36 -0700 From: ROBERT FREITAS <freitas1@pacbell.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re:Mystery Bianchi Message-ID: <46953D74.5080604@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
I can shed some light on it though nothing definative. Guy Apple pointed out a similar bike at the expostion prior to last years L'EROICA..What caught his eye was the black decals and trim. Its part of what I concider the "missing link" period between 1970 and 1976 when Bianchi was not imported into the US in any real numbers.. Bianchi transitioned away from the signature headset(on Reparto Corsa built bikes) sometime after 1972 as component stock was exhausted. The fork crown is the early type (anyone know if the closed side crown like this one was made concurrent to the open side?) so I would place it earlier 70s. Later forks had 2 raised ridges on either side of the flat crown. The Caveat is that older components left behind from previous production did appear on later bikes as they were discovered(or uncovered) Bianchi continued to use the old Record rear derailluer until 1970 or so probably to keep costs down. Headset points out this is probably a middle of the road bike.
What size is the seat post?Campy dropouts?I beleive bikes built in the race department always used Campy dropouts.
BOB FREITAS mobile in Oakland,Ca USA just around the corner from Albert Eisentrauts shop
http://www.wooljersey.com/
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:58:58 +0000 From: "Arno Volkers" <arnovolkers@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Re:Mystery Bianchi Message-ID: <BAY121-F337503175A14A61CD6EBE8A7040@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <46953D74.5080604@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Thanks very much, bob,
the dropouts are not campagnolo, they are probably build by Bianchi, if figured out that the Universal extra brakes are from 51, so maybe it's true that it was build up from old stock.
greets,
Arno
5224 VG Den Bosch The Netherlands
>From: ROBERT FREITAS <freitas1@pacbell.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Re:Mystery Bianchi
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:28:36 -0700
>
>
> I can shed some light on it though nothing definative. Guy Apple pointed
>out a similar bike at the expostion prior to last years L'EROICA..What
>caught his eye was the black decals and trim.
> Its part of what I concider the "missing link" period between 1970 and
>1976 when Bianchi was not imported into the US in any real numbers..
>Bianchi transitioned away from the signature headset(on Reparto Corsa built
>bikes) sometime after 1972 as component stock was exhausted.
> The fork crown is the early type (anyone know if the closed side crown
>like this one was made concurrent to the open side?) so I would place it
>earlier 70s. Later forks had 2 raised ridges on either side of the flat
>crown.
> The Caveat is that older components left behind from previous production
>did appear on later bikes as they were discovered(or uncovered) Bianchi
>continued to use the old Record rear derailluer until 1970 or so probably
>to keep costs down.
> Headset points out this is probably a middle of the road bike.
> What size is the seat post?Campy dropouts?I beleive bikes built in
>the race department always used Campy dropouts.
>
> BOB FREITAS
> mobile in Oakland,Ca USA
> just around the corner from Albert Eisentrauts shop
>
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/NITROBOBs-GARAGE/L-EROICA-2006/Saturday
/DSCN0119.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
To: james young <jimbobadahey@hotmail.com>,
classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]KOF? Peugeot
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> I realise that the bike I am about to talk about is off
> topic, but I hope
> you will consider it to be KOF. In one of my better ebay
> (250131915384)
> purchases, I have acquired a Peugeot 753 Chorus road bike, in
> very good
> original condition, apart from the transmission which has
> been replaced with
> Dura Ace. I remember lusting after one of these machines in
> the LBS around
> the late '80s, if my memory serves me correctly. Can anyone
> confirm this
> dating? Also, does anyone know who built them and where? I
> wondered at the
> time about Peugeot doing 753 work in house, getting
> certification from
> Reynolds or whether the framebuilding was subcontracted out
> to an other
> builder? I plan to replace the transmission with a rather
> nice Mavic SSC
> unit I have lying around unused at the moment - not original
> spec, I know,
> but I think it will look the part nonetheless.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jim Young
> Edinburgh, Scotland.
Jim, My recollection is that the Peugeot Chorus bicycles were sold when the original Chorus components became available. This would be 1988, or perhaps late 1987. Those were nice frames - essentially a PX-10 type thing made from Reynolds 753. My other recollection about those frames is that, despite using Campagnolo derailleurs, they were built with Simplex dropouts. Is that actually correct? Cheers, Fred Rednor - Arlignton, Virginia (USA)
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeot PX-10 Seat Post Message-ID: <681504.21199.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4E0500E0@Exchange-SVR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12
My experience with metric-gauge 531 French bikes, including PX-10, is that they can be 26.2, 26.4 or 26.6. 26.4 and 26.6 are the most common, but 26.2 is not all that unusual.
I'd always think a Simplex post would be best in a high-end Peugeot, but by 1981 I doubt it would have been the badged steel one. If you have an alloy Simplex post that fits, I'd use it. I've also used the carbon/graphite/composite/plastic or whatever it really is ATAX posts and they work fine for me.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX
John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com> wrote: List Members:
Thanks to all who replied.
Many suggested PX-10 seat post should be 26.4, not 26.2mm. Existing post is English-made; no diameter inscribed. Original saddle was Ideale 2001 leather-over-nylon on a Simplex post, but I wanted solid leather (Brooks). Dealer offered an Ideale 90 IR, w/straight post. Dealer had to sand post, and just this year I sanded even more 'til it finally fit right, so while I don't think anyone squeezed the lug, that is still a possibility. Perhaps someone could tell from the photo whether the lug looks squeezed. Here's a picture of the existing setup:
http://www.flickr.com/
I have an SR Laprade post inscribed 26.4, and it doesn't want to go in. Another bit of trivia is that on page 227 of The Custom Bicycle by Kolin and de la Rosa (1979) the author states, with some reservation, that a French bike with double-butted tubing is likely to have a 26.2 or 26.8 mm post, and without db tubing 26.2 or 26.4. I think I'll let my LBS check it before ordering a new post.
I often see comments on eBay about the presence or absence of insertion marks on vintage seat posts, and know myself how hard it is to avoid scratching up an alloy post. Would it be better, or even possible, to use an undersized post in combination with an aluminum or nylon insert? BTW: One person asked about the year model of my bike; I wish I knew for sure. Purchase date was Jan 1981, but Bicycling Magazine reviewed a PX10LE just like mine in Dec 1977.
John Hurley Austin, Texas USA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:10:27 +0000 From: Tim Chauran <timchauran@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Braze-on removal Message-ID: <BAY115-W210BED8D64FEA449F05663DD040@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
I have an old Peugeot PX-10 frame in absolutely discraceful condition that I want to powdercoat and fix up for incognito banging around town. The brak e cable guides are rusted beyond redemption and one is broken; I had envisi oned taking them off completely and using some NOS brake cable clamps I hav e lying around. My question is, would a handheld propane torch generate suf ficient heat to warm up the brazing to allow removal? The question sounds s tupid even as I ask it, but...any advice greatly appreciated.
Tim Chauran
Long Beach, CA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com> To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Fwd: [CR]Braze-on removal Message-ID: <907466.17545.qm@web51609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: artlink@columnssanantonio.com Message: 14
Grind them off with a Dremel tool. Art Link,San Antonio,TX,USA
Tim Chauran <timchauran@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Tim Chauran <timchauran@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:10:27 +0000 Subject: [CR]Braze-on removal
I have an old Peugeot PX-10 frame in absolutely discraceful condition that I want to powdercoat and fix up for incognito banging around town. The brak e cable guides are rusted beyond redemption and one is broken; I had envisi oned taking them off completely and using some NOS brake cable clamps I hav e lying around. My question is, would a handheld propane torch generate suf ficient heat to warm up the brazing to allow removal? The question sounds s tupid even as I ask it, but...any advice greatly appreciated.
Tim Chauran
Long Beach, CA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:22:48 EDT From: LouDeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]FOR SALE: Cuevas 55cm Message-ID: <cb8.15e1d3e8.33c6c048@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
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I just bought 3 frames and need to move some of mine. This Cuevas is 55cm c-top and 55cm toptube. Jonathan Greene painted it for me last year. You
may remember this one as the one that Mark Poore bought at a Cirque auction a few years ago. Will ship to 48 states only. I can sell it with following
options:
As you see it, less pedals, seatpost, wheels and saddle for $800 shipped. Note the stem is laser etched, the chainring is pantographed with the colors I wanted, not Cuevas. Super Record rear derailleur, record brakes, shifters, crankset, front der. King hs. Shifters are also pantographed with the red & yellow colors of Spain, and have a cyclist similar to the Merckx pantographed levers. Brake levers are Cane Creek SCR-5C. I can lower the price a bit if you don't want them.
Frame/fork/King HS: $550 shipped.
Frame/fork: $500 shipped.
Excellent condition. Closeups offered upon request. Lou Deeter, Orlando
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