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1. for sale update 2. Bianchi Seat post (Jack Gabus) 3. Re: Single-Speed or Three Speed (Mark Stonich) 4. re:a few items fs 5. WTB umbrella clip for sinlge shifter (Gary Dellarossa) 6. Re: Sedis Chains - When was Sachs name added 7. Eisentraut Replay (Sadiq Gill) 8. Re: Eisentraut Replay (George Allen)
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:49:31 EDT From: Rnitro1969@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]for sale update Message-ID: <c08.233ec27c.342d391b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
greetings
the suntour superbe wheels are sold
the paletti frame still available.
and i have 7 pairs of the campy repro 2nd's brake hoods left.
thanks robbie fellows lakewood,ca.
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Gabus <jack_gabus@yahoo.com> To: raydobbins2003@yahoo.com Cc: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Bianchi Seat post Message-ID: <209695.17036.qm@web56409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Ray:
I got very lucky I guess on this. These frames and parts were never sold in the U.S. The gentleman that I purchased this from was stationed in Italy back then and picked this up from the Bianchi factory himself.
Cheers,
Jack
Jack (Giacomo) GabusLaguna Beach, CA jack@shermangabus.com
http://www.wooljersey.com/
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:25:31 -0500 From: Mark Stonich <bikesmith@earthlink.net> To: <apw55@adelphia.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Single-Speed or Three Speed Message-ID: <E1Iax6d-0000tk-00@pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <21785294.1190857571972.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.n et> References: <21785294.1190857571972.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
At 9/26/2007 09:46 PM -0400, apw55@adelphia.net wrote:
>I have to agree that the AW seems to have a great deal less
>"enthusiast" appeal than the AM, AC, etc. but unless you do most of
>your riding on fairly level roads, I think you'll find the AW much
>more useful. I tried to use an FM for a while this spring but found
>the range too narrow
>and switched back to the AW. To my mind that negates any thought of
>trying an AM or an AC though I do own an AM.
>
>A couple of week ago I built an FW into a wheel for the "Clubman"
>and am finding that I like it a lot. The only problem I'm having
>with the FW is that there seems to be an excessive amount of
>friction in first gear which suggests to me that an overhaul may be in
order.
Alan,
This shouldn't be happening on an FW. My FM has this problem, but
that may be normal as there seems to be a complicated load path in low.
>My next internal hub project is to use an AW with two cogs on an
>early '60's Viking. I have yet to try fitting the hub in place but
>I'm thinking that the Viking's Cyclo-Benelux derailleur should
>handle the two cogs.
>
>Regards,
>Alan Weeks
I used to run 22-19 which perfectly split the ratios on an AW. BTW an old Sturmey 22t cog won't work in this application. Tooth shape is odd and chain can skip if there is a derailleur in the system.
Another possibility would be to use two wider ratio cogs to extend the range of your AM.
I recently put 24-18 on my FW, using a 24t modified Shimano
pre-Hyperglide cassette cog, a 1mm FW/BB spacer and an 18t Shimano Nexus
cog.
http://bikesmithdesign.com/
Your Cyclo should do OK. The hard part is finding a derailleur that has limiting screws long enough.
My favorite RD for a hybrid is the Huret Svelto. It's clearly not modern and it would seem odd to have anything bulkier working only two cogs.
I think a good rule of thumb would be to use one cassette cog and one dished with a modern 1/8" chain like SRAM or KMC. Use 2 dished cogs with older, wider 1/8" chains.
Mark Stonich; BikeSmith Design & Fabrication 5349 Elliot Ave S. - Minneapolis. MN 55417 Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com http://mnhpva.org
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:33:43 EDT From: KvnMuadib@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: internet-bob@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]re:a few items fs Message-ID: <d03.1bbef468.342d4377@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
a small addendum.1 the deodora shoes are 25.00 shipped they are suitable for toe clips.if purchased w/shoes look pedals are 10.00. 2.the campy levers,one hood has a less than 1 cm tear on underside 1 has a few small digs.one hoods are still supple though. levers have some scratches 30.00 shipped 3.athena levers are dt shifter levers for brazeons 18.00 shipped thanks again...kevin ruberg howell nj
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:37:24 +0000 From: "Gary Dellarossa" <della.rossa@sympatico.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB umbrella clip for sinlge shifter Message-ID: <BLU105-F3881BCF073337C2EDE582283B10@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
Greetings, I am looking to buy: 1) One Campagnolo clamp-on downtube shifter band, for a SINGLE right-side lever, with an attached pump umbrella clip. This can be with or without a lever. 2) Maybe shooting for the stars, but here goes: one Huret Jubilee rear derailleur mounting bolt; yes, the one with the second securing bolt in the back. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks!
Gary DellaRossa, in sunny/rainy/sunny Toronto, Canada.
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:57:15 -0300 From: htravis@attglobal.net To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Sedis Chains - When was Sachs name added Message-ID: <MONKEYFOOD4TZyabYTH000001be@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> In-Reply-To: <113550.7476.qm@web55906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Precedence: list Reply-To: travis.harry@gmail.com Message: 6
Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:56 AM
said Harry, stirred by: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>'s message of: Thursday 27 Sep 07 at 08:12 AM, On: [CR]Sedis Chains - When was Sachs name added [echoed below, in part<=1] -oOo- Can anyone tell me when Sedis chains started to be sold under the Sachs brand? I don't remember Sedisport chains having the Sachs name on the box and stamped into the side plates until fairly recently, after 1990. However, I recently saw a model that I thought had been discontiued by 1990 that had the Sachs name on the package. Could a Sachs Sedis chain go back to the CR time frame?
Tom Dalton
In the SRAM history at
http://sram.com/
there is no mention of of the acquisition of SEDIS
A BRIEF HISTORY OF SACHS BICYCLE COMPONENTS
1867 Ernst Sachs is born on November 22, in Peterhaussen near Konstanz, Germany. He later completes a short sales apprenticeship and begins training in precision mechanics.
1889 Ernst Sachs moves to Frankfurt. This time period marks Sachs as a big competitive racer and an avid biker. His first encounter with Schweinfurt is at a bike race. A serious bike accident which leads to a complicated fracture in the lower left leg forces Sachs to renounce racing.
1894 Following a stay in Bad Kissengen at a health spa, Sachs moves to Schweinfurt in April. He is employed as a mechanic and a salesman, where he first attempts to build a bike hub. In November, he receives his first patent for a bicycle ball bearing with a modular bearing race.
1895 On August 1st, Ernst Sachs and Karl Fichtel found "Schweinfurter Praezisions Kugellagerwerke Fichtel und Sachs" and began producing ball bearings and bicycle hubs. Karl Fichtel is in charge of sales, while Ernst Sachs is responsible for the technical management. Founding capital was 15,000 DM. The production facility was a small single-story house. In the end of 1895, the total workforce grew to 10 employees.
1896 Fichtel & Sachs employs 70 workers, and daily production increases to 50-70 hubs.
1897 Sachs produces its very first free-wheel hub.
1903 Following eight years of production and eight different hubs, Sachs has his first breakthrough with the "Torpedo Freewheel Hub." The operation begins to grow at breathtaking speed.
1904 The Torpedo 2-speed hub makes its debut. 250,000 hubs are produced. By the end of the year, 900 people are employed. Sachs' father-in-law Wilhelm Hopfinger acquires a patent for the first usable ball bearing retainer ring, an innovation still being used in the ball bearing industry.
1905 Production reaches 382,000 hubs. Employee count reaches 1,800. Sachs acquires over 100 patents and makes a name for himself as the most creative inventor in the development field of modern bearings. At almost every car race, the winning cars are using Sachs bearings.
1908 Production reaches 482,000 hubs. Employee count narrows to 1,640. Most racers are switching to the Torpedo hubs.
1913 The Torpedo 4-speed hub arrives on the market.
1914 A total of 833,000 hubs are sold in the last pre-war season of the summer of 1913. War breaks out. During the first four years of the war, Fichtel & Sachs increases its workforce from 3,000 to 8,000 employees. Ernst Sachs and his wife Betty personally create and finance a military hospital in Schweinfurt.
1920 Fichtel & Sachs celebrate their 25-year anniversary. The hard consequences of war and the Treaty of Versailles lead to a sharp reduction in production and workforce. Nevertheless, the company produces 550,000 hubs.
1939 Fichtel & Sachs has a total number of 6,716 employees. In the production program, a shift in emphasis goes into effect. The hubs' share is reduced in favor of motors, clutches and shock absorbers.
1943 By the end of the war, 67 percent of the company's production sites are destroyed. The company is on the brink of collapse. Despite the profound destruction, modest production is resumed by the end of 1945.
1954 Ernst Wilhelm Sachs joins the company. Total turnover increases by 40 percent from the previous year.
1955 Total turnover increases by 32 percent. A modernized facility for motors begins operation. Usable space tops 6,500 square meters.
1957 Ernst Wilhelm is appointed deputy of the board of directors. In order to promote cycling, the Torpedo Team is created. Fichtel & Sachs also generously supports amateur cycling with the Ernst Sachs Memorial Race.
1960 The Nurnburger Herculeus company, Rabeneick and Bradwede become the first subsidiaries of the Sachs group.
1967 Ernst Wilhelm Sachs resigns from the company's board of directors and, together with his brother Gunter, becomes co-chairman of the supervisory board. A new modernized manufacturing facility for fluid drives is completed.
1973 The first automatic hub, the 2-speed Torpedo Automatic, is introduced.
1976 Once updated, the Torpedo remains solid and unchanged for the next 22 years.
1980 Sachs purchases a majority of the French company Huret, a leading manufacturer of derailleur gears and speedometers.
1985 Sachs Huret Inc., a sales corporation for two-wheeled components, is founded in the United States.
1987 Mannesmann AG takes over as a majority shareholder of the Fichtel & Sachs group.
1997 SRAM Corporation takes over as the sole owner of Sachs Bicycle Components
Harry Travis Washington,DC USA -- ----------------------------------------------------------- travis.dot.harry.trying.gmail.com DemostiX -----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:57:41 -0400 From: "Sadiq Gill" <sadiqgill@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Eisentraut Replay Message-ID: <c76dc510709271057r188a4e7fue45929c2cd809e0b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
The pristine, white 53 cm Eisentraut went for $1026. Surprise to me? Anyone else?
-- Sadiq Gill Richmond, VA
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:42:29 -0400 From: George Allen <jgallen@lexairinc.com> To: classicrendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Eisentraut Replay Message-ID: <46FBF995.40308@lexairinc.com> In-Reply-To: <c76dc510709271057r188a4e7fue45929c2cd809e0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <c76dc510709271057r188a4e7fue45929c2cd809e0b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
I paid around $1249 on Ebay last year for a 1999 he made for a friend kitted out with a nice 9-speed Chorus group. I thought it was a helluva deal. Mr. Eisentraut himself actually sold it on Ebay. It's in nice but by no means pristine condition. It seems a few Limited's have gone for around the same price on Ebay in the last couple of years. I've never seen a true "A" frame on Ebay since I started searching for one. I can assure you an "A" in 58 to 60cm will go for quite a bit more. If anyone has one they'd like to sell give me a shout off-line.
George Allen Lexington, Ky USA
Sadiq Gill wrote:
>The pristine, white 53 cm Eisentraut went for $1026. Surprise to me?
>Anyone else?
>
>
>
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