Mark - the paint on that Colnago is likely original - it is Retinato, and came in a couple of colors. I worked at High Wheeler in Boulder during that time and it came as a frameset - I am thinking 83-85. I had not seen that green color (nice BTW) but in a burnt orange red color and a light blue.
Dan Rogers Bainbridge Island, WA
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1. Singer tandem disappears from ebay (The Maaslands) 2. "nuovo tipo" axle size (stephen fredette) 3. Colnago Super Photos (Mark Buswell) 4. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 57, Issue 36 83 RH and 37 CB to Japan? 5. Tximista front derailleur, anybody knows this one ? (nick Bordo) 6. Mark Buswell's Colnago (The Maaslands) 7. Re: Mark Buswell's Colnago (Mark Buswell) 8. Re: Mark Buswell's Colnago (Mark Buswell) 9. Re: Last Sturmey Archer hubbed race bike? (Mark Stonich) 10. Pink Rene Herse... (Norris Lockley) 11. Re: Ancient bike in PBP 2007 (Steven M. Johnson) 12. pink rene herse.. (Charles Andrews) 13. =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtDUl0gUGluayBSZW7DqSBIZXJzZQ==?= (Marc St. Martin) 14. pink herse on ebay (Charles Andrews) 15. re: pink rene herse... (Charles Andrews)
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:19:10 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: "CR" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Singer tandem disappears from ebay Message-ID: <003801c7f327$10cfdac0$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
Last week there was the case of the early ending of the Cinelli track tandem auction on ebay. This week it is the early ending of the auction for a 1950's Singer tandem.
What makes sellers close auctions early?
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:28:04 -0400 From: stephen fredette <sfredette@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]"nuovo tipo" axle size Message-ID: <a06240803c30a14846e37@[24.41.14.210]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
is there anything anomylous about the size and threading used in the axle for the front hub referred to as the campagnolo "nuovo tipo". what are the dimensions? yr obdt svt Stephen Fredette Hull, Massachusetts ------------------------------
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:39:54 -0700 From: Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com> To: VintageBikes Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: Roger Powers <rpowers@cruzio.com> Subject: [CR] Colnago Super Photos Message-ID: <7A8582E0-206B-419E-9362-FFB55522C9FD@sisuhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Hi All.
I've finally gotten around to taking photos of my recently built up 1983? Colnago Super?. It's a pretty standard build with Super Record, Mavic and Cinelli. Have a looksee here:
http://good-times.webshots.com/
The only peculiarity is the paint job. I have no real evidence that the frame was repainted (and I don't really mind if it was) but what caught my eye was the fully chromed chainstays (all the way to the bottom bracket shell!) and the mint green diamond pattern. From what I've seen the diamond pattern usually fades into a full covering of paint in the same color near the headtube. Obviously the paint on my frame does not. Also, when I received the frame, there was no Columbus decal on the seattube. The Colnago decals are under the clear coat.
Anyone ever seen this treatment before?
Mark Buswell San Francisco, CA United States
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:52:54 EDT From: Crumpy6204@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 57, Issue 36 83 RH and 37 CB to Japan? Message-ID: <bbe.14d71962.3415c536@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Starting price $2500.00 for the 83 RH, SO, should I ask the same for my 37 Claud to start? seems to me both bikes are somewhat desirable in there own ways. both somewhat rare, we will see. Anyway thanks to all the members that showed interest in my Claud. Maybe if I was 10 years younger, I would keep the bugger, BUT I do have to sell something and head in a new direction. "you cant take it with you" as my dear wife says. I did hope to keep it in the CR
group, as I do think it is a fine machine, a tribute to fine British workmanship. as I am sure the 83RH is. Cheers John Crump OldandtiredBrit, parker, Co USA
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:06:13 +0200 (CEST) From: nick Bordo <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Tximista front derailleur, anybody knows this one ? Message-ID: <394808.13333.qm@web28010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Rummaging through a box of some long held parts of mine, I've hit something I missed and don't know a thing about. It is a front derailleur with a very early Zeus or period campy type look, and a cage stamped in "funny" lettering "TXIMISTA". Thought I might have a piece of MTB junk at first glance, but it doesn't add up quality wise. I know Zeus and the early Triplex (campy "copy" for a third of the price), but this one... I do remeber someone in the racing fraternity telling me about two Basque brothers who set up a company to rivalize with Zeus. Could this be it ? "Tximista" is a Basque female first name, and I don't see the boys from Taiwan producing something with that kind of ID. Unless it's a little known Zeus ? I doubt it.
On another point, bash Herses as I do occasionally (well, somebody has to bash them), I say that the paint job on the pink bike is most definitely original if A.M. of RH classics says so. If any one person in the world can tell an original Herse from a rebuild, he's the guy. Probably seen more RH's than anyone but René himself. That doesn't meen I'd personally buy it, I already have a pink bike with gold anodized parts. If you need your bottom pinched and to get wolf-whistled, I say "go for it". Also, I don't normally say nice things about anybody because I'm a mean person, so this post has two unusual items in it.
Nick Bordo, Agen, 47000, Aquitaine.
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:55:56 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> To: "CR" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Mark Buswell's Colnago Message-ID: <004d01c7f334$96e1fc30$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6
Mark asked about his Colnago shown here:
http://good-times.webshots.com/
This is a 'retinato' paint job that Colnago did indeed use for a period of time. If memory serves me correctly in teh latter part of the 80's.
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:18:47 -0700 From: Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com> To: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> Cc: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Mark Buswell's Colnago Message-ID: <5AA7638E-E4D5-4C0E-B7EF-D0D1C7205AD3@sisuhome.com> In-Reply-To: <004d01c7f334$96e1fc30$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <004d01c7f334$96e1fc30$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Thanks for your input Steven.
There is a difference between the paint examples I've seen (on the
web mostly) and my frame. In this catalog scan (http://
http://www.bulgier.net/
Also note the fork crown is different and typical of early eighties models. The seller told me it was an '83. I think this was his best estimate but from my research it looks about right. None of the parts are original to the frame and a couple of the parts (levers and saddle) are off topic (gasp!).
Cheers Mark Buswell San Francisco, CA US
On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:55 PM, The Maaslands wrote:
> Mark asked about his Colnago shown here:
>
> http://good-times.webshots.com/
>
> This is a 'retinato' paint job that Colnago did indeed use for a
> period
> of time. If memory serves me correctly in teh latter part of the 80's.
>
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
> USA
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:26:08 -0700 From: Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com> To: Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com> Cc: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net> Cc: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Mark Buswell's Colnago Message-ID: <42C3B3B7-DCEB-4378-8D1A-852A17B72A92@sisuhome.com> In-Reply-To: <5AA7638E-E4D5-4C0E-B7EF-D0D1C7205AD3@sisuhome.com> References: <004d01c7f334$96e1fc30$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> <5AA7638E-E4D5-4C0E-B7EF-D0D1C7205AD3@sisuhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
I realize it may be hard to see what I'm pointing out. The abrupt ending of the diamond pattern is best shown in this photo:
http://image14.webshots.com/
Mark Buswell San Francisco, CA US
On Sep 9, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Mark Buswell wrote:
> Thanks for your input Steven.
>
> There is a difference between the paint examples I've seen (on the
> web mostly) and my frame. In this catalog scan (http://
> http://www.bulgier.net/
> that the paint fades out to a solid color- this appears to be the
> standard. I haven't seen any examples where the diamond patterns
> simply 'ends' like it does on my frame. If the frame was repainted
> I would guess the painter either forgot to finish it off or it was
> seen as 'good enough'.
>
> Also note the fork crown is different and typical of early eighties
> models. The seller told me it was an '83. I think this was his best
> estimate but from my research it looks about right. None of the
> parts are original to the frame and a couple of the parts (levers
> and saddle) are off topic (gasp!).
>
> Cheers
> Mark Buswell
> San Francisco, CA
> US
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:55 PM, The Maaslands wrote:
>
>> Mark asked about his Colnago shown here:
>>
>> http://good-times.webshots.com/
>>
>> This is a 'retinato' paint job that Colnago did indeed use for a
>> period
>> of time. If memory serves me correctly in teh latter part of the
>> 80's.
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:33:37 -0500 From: Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Last Sturmey Archer hubbed race bike? Message-ID: <E1IUXDk-0005Sa-0F@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <01d301c7f324$85e6b4d0$6401a8c0@peter5x12klm15> References: <E1IUTZc-0002X8-V2@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <01d301c7f324$85e6b4d0$6401a8c0@peter5x12klm15> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9
At 9/9/2007 05:00 PM -0400, Pete Geurds wrote:
>Do you have pics of your Record Ace posted somewhere?
I'll be putting up a few before and after shots, but I'm not quite to "After" yet. Need another day or two till it's ridable.
At 9/9/2007 05:05 PM -0400, P.C. Kohler wrote:
>I suspect this was more a top end club bike by then. And, from
>all accounts, a miserable flop in sales since it was manufactured for
>only two years. It was suffered from being overpriced and underspec'd.
It was over 40 GBP (with the derailleur) when IIRC the next costliest
Raleigh was 22 and change.
>Having said that, I love mine. It's one of the nicest riding machines
in
>my collection and has excellent handling. If anything, I think it rides
>better than my '48!
Glad to hear it rides well, AFAIK mine hasn't been ridden in at least
20 years.
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Peter-Kohler-Cycle-Collection/Raleig
h+R
RA+Moderne+1958+serial+no+3766AD
On a scale of 1 to 10, if yours is a 9, mine's about a 4. But it should be fine mechanically and ride the same.
At 9/9/2007 10:05 PM +0100, ray green wrote:
>Maybe the three speed, known as a cocoa tin, reached its zenith in
>1956 when Ray Booty (The Boot) riding a Raleigh RRA set the
>"straight out" 100 mile record at 3hrs 28 min 40 sec using a SA
>three speed fixed hub gear.
Some records were set in the '60s by SA equipped Moultons. IIRC John Woodburn's Cardiff-London record (162 miles in 6 hrs 43 min 29 sec) stood for decades. He was running an ultra close ratio AC with gears of 94", 101" and 107" thanks to an 11t cog and 68t chainwheel.
At 9/9/2007 04:58 PM -0400, Sheldon Brown wrote:
>Nope, seems to be a server configuration error. I've entered a
>support request with the hosting company, but it is unlikely that
>they will get to it on the weekend.
Don'cha hate it when that happens?
>Sheldon "Not My Fault, This Is The First I've Heard Of The Problem"
Brown
It was down 5 or 6 days ago when I looked for it. If I see anything down in the future I'll let you know.
Mark Stonich; BikeSmith Design & Fabrication 5349 Elliot Ave S. - Minneapolis. MN 55417 Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com http://mnhpva.org
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:44:00 +0100 From: Norris Lockley <norris.lockley@talktalk.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pink Rene Herse... Message-ID: <13419.1189385040@talktalk.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: norris.lockley@talktalk.net Message: 10
As readers of the List will already know, I am one of the doubting Thomases when it comes to joining the Rene Herse Fan Club.
This is not to criticise in any way the quality of Herse's frames as each one has some excellent quality workmanship about it, and style etc but I just cannot see what is so extra special about them. They have l ittle "wow" factor as far I can detect.
OK..some of the early ones have very attractive cast lugs, pleasing fork crowns, seductive fork rakes and, by and large,very well executed paint jo bs and quality chrome, but so far I could have been describing any number o f well-built and finished frames, from the hands of dozens of other artisan frame-builders.
Yes..the rear drop-outs are of a unique style, the deeply grooved treatm ent of the ends of the stays and fork blades are slightly more head-tu rning than the ubiquitous domed-and-slotted style..but what else is there?& nbsp; Internal rear brake cable routing....a very common feature, even if t h cable entry and exit ferrules are interesting.
There is a factory-built 70s Unic-Sport (built by Gottried) going through French Ebay at the moment. It has stay and fork-end treatment simil ar to the pink Herse..and the price stands at 40 euros...
During my recent holiday in France I spent a day with one of France's to p Ebay sellers. In his garden we were surrounded by dozens of very attracti ve frames, of both racing and touring varieties, that had been made in the 40s, 50s and 60s by small, lesser known French craftsmen. Some of them were exquisite in their detail. In the midst of the display my friend pointed t o his recently acquired Herse.
At first I thought he was pulling my leg as my eyes sought out a frame t hat should, in theory, have stood oput from the crowd....but didn't. Perhap s it should be explained that this particular Herse was of of his "second d ivision " frames...and very ordinary indeed, with grotesque pressed-plate c ombined brake cable stops and guides, of the type I have very often seen sp ot-welded onto production line frames.
My friend, surrounded as he was by some examples of craftsmanship as fin e as any to be had, was mystified why the American buyers with whom he is i n contact, only ask for Herse and Singer models.
My own opinion is that they should be searching out the work of Jean Fre lat/Sasebo, Alain Michel, Burdin and the like. Bernard Carre is now well-kn own for the "2-a-day" workmanlike frames he made for many of the Pro r iders, especially the Lejeune team models, but the frames he made for his p rivate clientele are a match for many a Singer/Herse product, although I ha ve never found one with cast lugs or unusual fork crown or rare drop-outs. I have however recently picked up a frame that Carre built for himself, and that really is interesting both in its quality of workmanship and its deta il. The stay and fork-end treatment are just mind-blowingly unusual. And th e bonus is...it is an all-chrome plate job..and in very good condition.
Do I hear a starting price of $2600 for this rare beauty?
Norris Lockley, Settle UK
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:36:39 GMT From: "Steven M. Johnson" <grisha2@juno.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ancient bike in PBP 2007 Message-ID: <20070909.203639.19219.0@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/
I had an old threaded Mavic rear hub with a 70s Suntour freewheel (threa ds all the way through the body), a bottom bracket cup threaded into tha t freewheel and hub, and another freewheel on the outside of the BB cup.
It put two freewheels on the back hub. The wheel got destroyed in my las t move, so I never got a change to rig it up on a frame and ride it.
Steven Johnson, Shiloh, IL
It was something called a "retro-direct" system and many Hirondelle bike s
used it from 1924 to just before WWII. A couple other French manufactur ers
produced similar derailleur and chain systems including one named "Le Cr ack"
(yes, really). They are mentioned only very briefly in "The Dancing Ch ain", but
I can't figure out how they work. In the book it shows a double pulley
device mounted just behind a crankset which had TWO chainrings - though I see
only one on the PBP bike. So, I guess you'd have two speeds in the bac k and two
more up front... that is, unless the chain routing somehow multiplied t he
possible number of different gears you might achieve?
I'd sure love to see that Rube Goldberg chain routing in action!
CKVqsSVSL0nN1YQsA82t2Tkw/
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:38:37 -0700 From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]pink rene herse.. Message-ID: <003101c7f34b$4f182e30$6401a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
alex march wrote:
Let's just let the listing run it's course, if it sells then you will be twice wrong, if it doesn't we'll be even I guess
Best regards
Alexander March Bordeaux France
%%%%%%%%%
a little secret that most people don't know is that Rene Herse's son-in-law built bikes not only as nice as a Rene-built bike, but, by some measures, nicer! His lug-work, in particular, is more crisp, and, from the examples I've seen, tidier all around than on Rene-built frames. The sole drawback to the later bikes is the graphics are decals, instead of painted on, which I think was a change for the worse.
A younger Rene Herse, built around the time Rene retired to the time the
shop close, is probably an incredible bargain..and if that bike on ebay was my size, I'd think about it very seriously...even though pink ain't exactly my favorite color...that said, I had a pink curved-tube jack taylor that I liked a great deal, but it was too big for moi, so it went
on to a local friend, so I can see it once in awhile. so maybe pink isn't so bad..,g>
Charles Andrews Los Angeles
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:38:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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To: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>,
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Steven,
Ahhh, yes. I was picturing Bob Freitas' bike when I waxed poetic about inte rnally routed cables. One neat detail that I did pick out on the pink bike is the braze-on on the right seat stay to hold the rear derailleur cable ho using. Never seen this treatment before. If it were only my size.....
Regards,
Marc St. Martin Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
>Sent: Sep 9, 2007 2:09 PM
>To: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR] Pink René Herse
>
>Marc wrote:
>
>"I was also of the opinion that only Herse randonneuse bikes with all
of
>
>the RH bits were where the value was until I had the chance to examine
>one
>of the cyclo-sportif/racing frames up close. Granted, the machine in
>question does have some of the Herse bits, but one of the details which
>struck me as being extraordinary was the internal routing of the
>cabling.
>Granted, internally routed cables are not that unique; however, the
true
>
>Herse touch lies wherein each of the entry and exit holes for these
>cables
>have beautifully filleted reinforcements. Also, it appears that to
>accomplish the internal routing of the front derailleur cable, a
special
>
>bottom bracket was fabricated with an eye towards aerodynamics. Seems
>like
>every time I examine an Herse frame, I see something different and
>extraordinary."
>
>Are you perhaps looking at a different bike? Looking at the photos that
>appear here: http://www.reneherse.com/
>appear to me to be standard under the bottom bracket routing. As far as
>the rear brake cable goes, the person who set this bike up has made a
>mess of it. The amount of cable housing between the exit from the top
>tube to the rear brake caliper is simply too short to allow proper
>functioning of the brake. Hopefully this is simply a matter of sliding
a
>bit more cable housing from in front of the forward cable entry to the
>rear, but this is not evident. The chain also seems to be quite short
>for the selected chainrings and freewheel cogs. The set-up is also
>lacking in the general proportions, with the seatpost unacceptably low,
>making the whole bike look awkward. I am also surprised to see the
>adustable cup extending quite a few threads beyond a visibly thick lock
>ring. I don't consider any of these elememts acceptabe when you are
>selling a high end bike.
>
>Personally, I don't doubt that there will be somebody who will pay at
>least the opening bid, because as Barnum said, "there is one born every
>minute". For me, a collector buying this bike is only slightly better
>off than a Maserati collector buying a Maserati TC: a quaint filler to
>complete the collection.
>
>Steven Maasland
>Moorestown, NJ
>USA
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:58:43 -0700 From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]pink herse on ebay Message-ID: <003c01c7f34e$1e587220$6401a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14
Steve Maasland wrote:
Personally, I don't doubt that there will be somebody who will pay at least the opening bid, because as Barnum said, "there is one born every minute". For me, a collector buying this bike is only slightly better off than a Maserati collector buying a Maserati TC: a quaint filler to complete the collection.
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA
#########
Oh, I dunno about that. This bike seems a bit more interesting than just as "quaint filler." I don't think you have to be a sucker to buy it for the opening bid, either.
Chacun a son gout, I suppose..but all the points you mention are easily rectified..I will say that I kinda wonder why Alex---Alex, you wanna clarify this?---didn't lengthen the chain and raise the seat-post. Note
that the internal routing on the herse I have, which is exactly like this one, does not involve putting the entire housing through the tube, the entry and exit fittings function as cable-stops...it looks like there's enough housing there to do the job, given the way the internal routing works on Herses of this flavor. If indeed this one works that way, and there's no reason to suppose it doesn't...
the bike could be more attractively set-up, but all that is a matter of a half-hour's work and a few dollars worth of odds and ends.
I'm glad it's not my size.. because that pink is looking better..it's more like a candy pink.
I still wish Herse had continued with the painted-on logos.
I do agree that the 650b Herses with all the custom bits are the most entertaining Herses, but I agree with Mikey, this one will easily fetch the opening bid.
Charles Andrews Los Angeles
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:04:57 -0700 From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re: pink rene herse... Message-ID: <004701c7f34e$fd4dee10$6401a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
...on closer examination, maybe the entire housing goes through the internal routing, but it's hard to tell for sure, one way or the other.
How about it Alex? Does the housing stop at the frame-fitting, or does it go all the way through to the brake?
I say it's a cable-stop, which would make the most sense, but I could well be wrong. it works that way on a similar vintage tandem i have, but i wish it didn't, because that's a lot of friction on the cable that
would be eliminated if the full housing snaked through to the rear. As it is, I replaced the bare cable with telflon coated cable, and the rear-brake works, barely.. I question if it ever worked very well. Too much friction. Only teflon cable saved my sanity on that one.
Charles andrews Los angeles
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