RE: [CR]Hold everything! (was: "Riding no hands", no pun intended...)

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From: "Kenneth Freeman" <ken4bikes@att.net>
To: "'Dale Brown'" <oroboyz@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: RE: [CR]Hold everything! (was: "Riding no hands", no pun intended...)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:55:33 -0500
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Hear, hear! The only bikes I have NOT been able to ride no handed were either out of alignment, had brinelled headsets, or had tight headsets.

Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Dale Brown Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:28 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Hold everything! (was: "Riding no hands", no pun intended...)

With more than due respect for all parties, I think this thread somehow spun away from describing how various bikes handle, including no-hands, into a (somewhat silly) discussion about the relative wisdom of riding no-hands...

I would say of course it is unwise to ride no-hands much, especially in crowded or trafficky circumstances, etc. But sure there can't be much harm in a solo rider occasionally taking his hands off the bars for a special, brief purpose?

But getting back to the original topic, riding no-hands has frequently been a reliable test for a bike's handling... ? I am of the opinion that almost any bike (and geometry) with any properly aligned frame & fork, dished wheels, and adjusted headset, should run straight enough and true enough to allow no-hands riding.

As a sort of test to that theory, I built a few frame sets with pretty radical "Rigi" style angles, etc. All could easily be ridden no-hands.? There is a DB track bike owned by a fellow in here Greensboro that had 76-77 degree angles...

This bike (currently owned by Ken Toda) was super steep: http://cyclesdeoro.com/DB/DB_Durham.html

Ditto for Dr. Chip Duckett's: http://cyclesdeoro.com/DB/ChipDuckett.htm

I am convinced that the tracking is the major component to this directional stability. Sure angles, trail, tire fatness, weight distribution add to a bike's "personality" but the ability to ride no-hands (versus diving for the ditch) is all straightness of key components.....

Dale Brown cycles de ORO Bike Shop 1410 Mill Street Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA 336-274-5959 http://cyclesdeoro.com http://www.classicrendezvous.com http://www.carolinacup.com http://www.greensborovelo.com http://www.bikegso.org http://nbda.com

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