I think the front derailleur on the 50th group had Tullio's signature, as did most of those parts. The shield logo was around forever before it showed up on the SR front der in question. I goes back to at least the late 1950's intro of the Record crank, though in a slightly different form (included the Campagnolo name in block letters). However, Campy really began to use the shield on many parts in the mid 80's starting with Victory/Triomphe, and then C-Record where it was used on the ft and Rr deraillers, the cranks, the post, the shifters, the brake levers, the delta calipers... even the pedal dustcaps, toeclips, and strap pulls and buckles. To me this verges on being a significant step in terms of unified design. The Record and SR groups had different logos on every part, while C-rec used the same logo everywhere but the headset and hubs (though that logo did get used on most of the lower campy hubs from Triomphe forward.) In some way this unified presentation was cool, and it was consistent with the situation that C-record was the first all-new top-end group, that Campy ever introduced. While it derived a lot mechanically from NR and SR, all the parts were newly designed. When you look at the evolution of NR and SR you realize that the 'groups' evolved slowly, included parts dating back to the 50's and that NR and SR shared many (most) parts. So, on the positive side C-rec was cool because it was all created in a unified way. On the other hand, as much as the parts all looked like they belonged together, there was a down side, IMO. This was that while the forms were really beautiful and looked right together, and while the consistent use of the shield added to the sense of unity, the Campagnolo name was not integrated to the individual parts in as interesting a way. Look at the Record and SR brake levers. They had a logo that really occupied the available space very nicely, with a variation of a shield surrounding the block-lettered Campagnolo name. If you look at the same lever with the shiled logo (the Victory lever) it just ain't the same. The logo doesn't integrate. The Record hubs were another example. They had Campagnolo in that famous script, with the globe, filling the hub barrel and readable from the saddle (in terms of orientation). There was less unity among the logos but better integration of the logos with the parts.
But hey, I'm no designer, I'm just rambling about my own opinions...
Tom Dalton Bethlehem PA USA
brian blum <bbspokes@hotmail.com> wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }
Didn't the fiftieth anniversity group use the sheild logo? Brian Blum in Berkeley
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:03:38 -0800
> From: haxixe@gmail.com
> To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]Odd Super Record Front Derailleur.
> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I stumbled upon a Wooljersey album apparently belonging to Mark Koepke, and I noticed something I'd never seen before. Looking past the amazing pantographing on the crank of his Paginini (which I admit is far more interesting than what I'm about to point out), I noticed the shield logo on his Super Record front derailleur.
> >
> > http://www.wooljersey.com/
> >
> > This doesn't seem all that odd until you think about it. Post-CPSC Campy Record and Super Record front derailleurs "all" have the wing logo by itself, no shield... Or is this more common than I think? It's a small difference, since that winged wheel is on there one way or another, but I don't recall ever seeing it surrouned by a shield. My suspicion is that this is VERY late production, like 1987... My other theory is more of a reach...
> >
> > Hey Mark, if you're out there I'd love to know any details of where this ft der came from... and when you bought it.
> >
> > Tom Dalton
> >
> > http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Good eye. I've never noticed seeing a Nuovo or Super Record FD with a
> shield logo either. That's either a rarity or I haven't been paying
> good attention, though the latter is perhaps the more likely.
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham WA
> USA
> _______________________________________________
--------------------------------- Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. Play now!
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.