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NOS Miyata Team Road Frame and Fork (58 cm) Top-of-the-line offering from 1990...all steel tubing Item number: 270226353546
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New-Old-Stock Miyata Team Road Frame and Fork (58 cm)...Splined Triple Butted Steel Tubing Thank you for your interest in this item and please check out our store for other offerings. We have very reasonable shipping terms and discount shipping costs for multiple purchases (refer to the shipping calculator at the bottom of this page).
Product Description: This item for sale is a new-old-stock Miyata Team frame and fork with proprietary splined triple butted steel tubing and a matching splined steel fork. Although we are not certain, we believe the reference to splined tubing is akin to the inner ribs we sometimes note on vintage high quality seatposts (located on the inside of the pillar and stretching the length of the pillar). Presumably, Miyata fabricated their tubing in this manner to improve the strength/stiffness of this competition-level frame and fork. We have also come to learn (with the help of a customer) that this was Miyata's top-of-the-line offering from 1990 in a road steel frame and fork.
Given their vintage, these offerings were made in Japan and we found a handful of them still sealed in their original boxes. The fork is curved-bladed with a 1" threaded steerer tube and like the frame...is made from splined steel tubing. The finish has a two-tone color scheme with a deep blue enamel covering most of the main triangle (except for the seat tube) and the fork, while the rear triangle has been finished with a nice pearl white enamel. The lug work has also received some attention, with an "M" logo incorporated into the design of some of the lugs for added aesthetic appeal. We understand there may have been some better quality steel frames coming out of Japan in the early 90's, but this offering is easily the nicest model we have come across from Japan during this era.
As noted above (and with the help of a customer), we were able to locate detailed catalog reference materials related to these frames. Most of the information that follows is taken directly from these materials, so we are confident the specifications are accurate. In those circumstances where the specifications are based solely on our own measurements, or should we have a comment regarding a factory specification, we will do our best to highlight these facts, so the source of the information is always clearly defined.
a.. Frame size (seat tube length): 58 cm (factory specification measured from the center of the bottom bracket shell to the top of the seat tube...an equivalent center-to-center measurement...meaning from the center of the bottom bracket shell to the center of the top tube would be about 56 cm)
b.. Weight (frame and forks): 6 lbs 11 oz (source is our own Park hanging scale)
c.. Rear dropout spacing: 130 mm
d.. Top tube length: 55 cm
e.. Head tube angle: 73 degrees
f.. Seat tube angle: 74 degrees
g.. Wheelbase: 99.5 cm
h.. Chain stay length: 40.8 cm
i.. Fork rake: 45 mm
j.. Head tube inside diameter (for headset): 25.4 mm
k.. Seat tube inside diameter (for seatpost): 26.8 mm
l.. Seat tube outside diameter (for clamp-on front derailleur): N/A...braze-on model
m.. Bottom bracket shell width: 68 mm
n.. Braze-ons: Shifter lever bosses on the down tube (may be fitted with cable housing stops when dual-control levers are used), braze-on front derailleur mount, brake cable housing guides on the top tube (three of them), shifter cable housing stop on the right chain stay, water bottle cage mounts on the down tube and the seat tube, air bottle mount on the underside of the down tube, number plate fitting on the top tube (near the head tube), pump peg on the head tube and chain peg on the right chain stay
o.. Other notes: English/ISO specifications throughout, horizontal rear dropouts with built-in derailleur hanger, recessed brake caliper mounting holes, cable guide block on the underside of the bottom bracket shell and a full compliment of hardware (including a seat binder bolt, dropout screws, etc.)
We understand there are other frame/fork measurements or characteristics that impact ride qualities and performance, but the above specifications should provide for a good starting point. We also ask that you scan our notes that follow, as we have attempted to provide some general commentary that supplements/supports the above information. Please understand we are only trying to make some very basic observations. We understand our comments may not hold true under all circumstances and that we barely touch on a couple of topics...but we still hope our notes provide some assistance when considering this offering.
Angles... We believe most would agree that head tube and seat tube angles have a fairly significant impact on ride qualities...with the emphasis on the head tube angle. These angles may range anywhere from 68 degrees to 75 degrees. The shallower the angle, the more stable and comfortable the ride should be at lower speeds, while steeper angles promote a more responsive/rigid feel that generally handles better at higher speeds (but is usually less comfortable). We realize this is a very simplistic view to the angle discussion and we acknowledge there are other angle related concepts (the "trail" measurement as one such example...discussed below), but we really are trying to limit our comments to a few points concerning each topic.
Please note this offering has rather steep angle measurements, so while the ride may be responsive and handling may be fairly good at higher speeds, the frame may also be somewhat unforgiving...i.e., not as comfortable as a frame with shallower angle measurements.
Other measurements... The wheelbase measurement also appears to impact ride qualities. A general rule of thumb is that a longer wheelbase results in a more comfortable ride at lower speeds (similar to the shallower angle discussion noted above), while a shorter wheelbase will promote a more responsive/performance oriented feel that generally handles better at higher speeds (but the drawbacks are predictable in that improved high-speed handling qualities generally result is less comfortable overall ride characteristics). In an attempt to provide some basic guidelines, wheelbase measurements generally range from around 100 cm (or less) to nearly 110 cm...with ride qualities described above dependent on where a measurement is positioned on this continuum.
The chain stay measurement is a component of the wheelbase, so it's not surprising to note a consistency between the two measurements. In other words, a shorter chainstay measurement will shorten the wheelbase and generally translates into more responsive/performance oriented ride characteristics with better acceleration and climbing qualities. The drawbacks (to a shorter chain stay) are consistent with the discussion above in that such positive handling qualities at higher speeds will generally result in a less comfortable ride at lower speeds. A longer chain stay measurement, similar to a longer wheelbase measurement, will usually improve overall ride comfort, while conceding some of the high-speed responsiveness achieved with shorter dimensions. Lastly, in an attempt to provide some additional guidelines, chain stay measurements generally range from around 40 cm to 45 cm (or possibly longer) with ride qualities described above dependent on where a measurement is positioned on this continuum.
Fork rake, like the chain stay measurement, is a component of the wheelbase...but to a lesser degree. A longer fork rake, as in the case of a steel touring fork with exaggerated curves, will generally provide fairly significant road dampening qualities. From our own personal experience, we always noted the way a touring-style fork will literally bounce up and down around the dropouts, absorbing the bumps in the road, but this feeling never made it up through the steerer (or at least to the degree noted at the dropouts). We realize there are other factors at work here, but we still wanted to provide one example of the impact fork rake may have on ride comfort. Another thought regarding fork rake is it's impact on the "trail" of a bicycle. This could turn into a lengthy discussion by itself, but the general concept is the "trail" measurment of a bicycle significantly impacts the stability of the ride, or said another way, the bicycle handling properties that promote straight ahead steering. Generally speaking, the longer the "trail" the greater the inherent tendency the bicycle will track in a straight line. A shallower head tube angle and a shorter fork rake are probably the most significant contributors to a longer (and preferred) "trail" measurement. Our general assumption here is that frame manufactures have long since incorporated the preferred "trail" measurements in their frame and fork designs, so the fork rake and head tube angle should compliment one another in this regard.
Please note the dimensions (wheelbase, chain stay, etc.) on this particular offering are fairly short, so consistent with the angle measurement discussion above, this frame should be fairly responsive and perform fairly well at higher speeds, but it probably will not be as comfortable (relative to a frame with longer dimensions). We do not view the fork rake as having a significant impact on the ride qualities of this particular offering (in the sense that it will not influence handling or performance to the degree of the other noted specifications).
Materials... We are not going to do this topic justice, but will still try to provide a few general/basic observations.
Most vintage frames were made with steel tubes and although there were different brands/types...this was the preferred material for many years. Steel is generally the heaviest of the material choices, but some still prefer the ride qualities of a steel frame. Generally speaking, steel frames may retain several desirable high-speed ride qualities...responsiveness, good acceleration, etc...while the inherent dampening qualities of steel help to alleviate some of the rigid/uncomfortable ride characteristics that usually accompany high-speed performance.
Aluminum frames were probably next to achieve some level of commercial appeal...and while it's a lighter material, aluminum frames are generally stiffer and provide a harsher ride (relative to a similarly constructed steel frame). Having said this, aluminum frames generally retain many of the high-speed ride qualities and superior climbing qualities (due to their light weight) desired by more competitive cyclists. Some would also note that aluminum frames are generally a good candidate for lighter riders, while heavier/stronger riders that generate a lot of torque may want to look at other material options.
More recent frame materials gaining popularity include carbon fiber composites and titanium (among others). While frames made with these materials are generally more expensive, there are many that believe their basic properties (in addition to their light weight) help to achieve the most desirable combination of ride qualities (i.e., high-speed performance/responsiveness, while still maintaining comfort and low-speed stability). We believe there is merit to this claim, especially when considering the resources frame manufacturers are dedicating to research and development.
Having said all of this, please note this particular offering is a steel frame, so some of the inherent road dampening characteristics (of steel) noted above, may translate into a slightly more comfortable ride, even though this frame also has relatively steep angles and short dimensions.
Other specifications... We have attempted to provide a number of other frame and fork specifications to assist with any component compatibility evaluations. Although, if you have other questions or need other information to further assess component compatibility, then we will do our best to answer those questions as well.
Condition... All of these Miyata frames and forks came to us sealed in their original factory boxes...so all of them should be in very nice condition. We will open each box to inspect each frame and fork prior to shipment, but will then re-package in the factory box to help ensure safe transit.
Shipping... We handle shipping of larger items a little different...and this primarily relates to international customers. Domestic shipping options are fairly consistent with our smaller component offerings in that we can ship most frames and forks using Priority Mail or Parcel Post service and the shipping calculator at the bottom of the page will provide you with a shipping quote. However, because the international shipping requirements vary for larger packages (from country to country), we ask that all international customers contact us first before purchasing this item. We are then able to research shipping options and provide you with an accurate shipping quote to your particular destination. This way we will avoid any confusion or misunderstanding with respect to international shipping costs and alternatives.
Please view our other items in our Ebay store, The New-Old-Stock "NOS" Bicycle Shop, for more great deals on frames, components, accessories and technical clothing, among other things (refer to link above). Also remember that we are very fair regarding shipping charges, and only ask you to pay what a third party carrier charges us to ship your item(s). We will always combine items for shipping purposes whenever possible and we never charge a "packaging" or "handling" fee.
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a.. Payment: We accept payment through Paypal (but will only ship to a confirmed address), money orders/cashiers checks or personal checks. If you pay with a personal check, we will have to wait until the check clears before we can ship the product. Payment is required within 10 days of the purchase.
b.. Returns: Since most of the items we offer are either new-old-stock or second-hand (i.e., used) items, they are typically sold "as is" and without any warranty from the manufacturer. However, if we describe an item inaccurately or if you simply make a mistake and purchase the wrong part, we will work with you to correct any problems. This includes a 30-day return policy from the date of purchase whereby we will accept returns for a full refund of the purchase price (less any shipping charges), as long as the product is returned to us in the same condition as it was shipped, so that we may re-stock in our inventory.
c.. Shipping: We will ship anywhere in the world (but only to a confirmed address if paying with Paypal) and will combine items to save on shipping charges whenever possible. We do not believe in "handling" charges, only our out-of-pocket expenses.
For US orders, we typically ship USPS Parcel Post or Priority service (or for extremely light packages, First Class service, and for reference materials, Media Mail service). Please note that feedback from previous customers has indicated that although Parcel Post is the least expensive of the carrier services, it may take up to two weeks to deliver a package in the Continental US (and much longer to Hawaii or Alaska), whereas Priority service appears to consistently take less than a week. Please consider this when deciding on a carrier service.
For international orders, we typically ship USPS Global Airmail Letter Post for light packages or Global Airmail Parcel Post for heavier packages. The USPS website states that international deliveries using either of these services will take anywhere from four to ten days, but according to my experience, I would expect such deliveries to take somewhere between two and three weeks (and maybe close to four weeks during extremely busy holiday shipping periods). Also, please keep in mind the USPS will not insure packages shipped Global Airmail Letter Post, so if you would like your international package insured (and this includes packages to Canada), then we will need to ship your package using the Global Airmail Parcel Post service. I am not sure why the USPS enforces this insurance restriction, but this is what we have been told by our local Postmaster.
Please use the shipping calculator included at the bottom of the page to compute your shipping charge for this particular item. If purchasing more than one item, please contact us first for a shipping quote on your combined order (as we do offer shipping discounts on multiple purchases).
d.. Customs (International): The declared value for all orders required to clear customs will be the total of your store purchases and/or winning auction bids (less any shipping costs, as these are not considered in the declared value). Each order will be declared as a "Retail Sale" and we cannot deviate from this practice. We have learned that altering customs documents to declare retail sales as something other than a sale (i.e., to declare as a "gift" or "warranty item") is a crime that carries severe penalties (including both jail sentences and significant fines). You are responsible for paying all taxes and brokerage fees, which will be collected at delivery.
e.. Sales Tax (Domestic): We are required to collect sales tax from each customer located in our home state and remit such taxes to the state board of equalization. We do not "tax" shipping charges, because such charges are specified separately on your invoice (which is allowable under current rules). You are responsible for paying all sales taxes, when applicable, and this amount will be added to your order at the time of check-out.
f.. Insurance: Insurance, although optional, is highly recommended since we cannot be held responsible for packages that are lost or damaged in the mail. Insurance charges, like shipping charges, are based solely on our out-of-pocket expense and will be based on the value of the order.
For domestic packages (and packages to Canada), USPS charges $1.35 for contents valued at $50.00 or less, $2.30 for contents valued from $50.01 to $100.00, $3.35 for contents valued from $100.01 to $200.00, $4.40 for contents valued from $200.01 to $300.00, $5.45 for contents valued from $300.01 to $400.00 and $6.50 for contents valued from $400.01 to $500.00. In those cases where an order value is in excess of $500, please contact us for a quote, as there are different indemnity limits for domestic packages versus those that are shipped to Canada.
For international packages, USPS charges $1.95 for contents valued at $50.00 or less, $2.75 for contents valued from $50.01 to $100.00, $3.80 for contents valued from $100.01 to $200.00, $4.85 for contents valued from $200.01 to $300.00, $5.90 for contents valued from $300.01 to $400.00 and $6.95 for contents valued from $400.01 to $500.00. In those cases where an order value is in excess of $500, please contact us for a quote, as the indemnity limits are different for each country.
Also (and as noted under our shipping terms and conditions), please keep in mind the USPS will not insure packages shipped Global Airmail Letter Post, so if you would like your international package insured (and this includes packages to Canada), then we will need to ship your package using the Global Airmail Parcel Post service. I am not sure why the USPS enforces this insurance restriction, but this is what we have been told by our local Postmaster.
Please add the appropriate insurance charge to your order at the time of check-out, should you choose to insure your package, as this is the only way you will be able to recover any losses due to a package that is damaged or lost while in-transit. Insurance will be optional for orders valued at less than $100, but we will require insurance for all orders valued at greater than $100.
g.. Responsibility: Please be careful when using and installing items purchased from us. We will do our best to answer any questions that you may have, but in the end, we cannot be held responsible for improper installation or use of any item purchased from us. We recommend that you always consult with a qualified bicycle mechanic for the installation of bicycle components.
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