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2. Re: Huret derailleur 3. BBB visit report

5. RE:Cinelli b 6. Re: RE:Cinelli bivalent hubs (dave mart 7. Caring for a Teledyne Titan (David Allen) 8. Moser Tr 9. Re: Moser Trac 10. CR members dropping like flies as (Dale Brown) 11. Chicagoland Bike Sw 12. CR members dropping like flies (K.R. Bennett) 13.

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:26 EDT From: RDF1249@aol To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay outing - 19 Message-ID: <c65.237ec8c6.3547b2ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0

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now. Appears to be all original except maybe tires, bar tape, straps in good working order. Perfect for L'Eroica! I woul him myself but the tax man hit me pretty

Bob Freeman Elliott Bay Bicycles 2116 Wes Seattle, WA 98121 206-441-8144 Home of Davidson Handbuil

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:13:52 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine94@ea To: "David Snyder" <dddd@pacbell.net>, classicr Subject: Re: [CR] Huret derailleur mounting, was: Message-ID: <a062309f0c43c172df740@[192.168.1.33]&g In-Reply-To: <000701c8a965$6323f0f0$4001a8c0@compaq> Referen

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At 11:23 AM -0800 4/28/08, David Snyder wro
>You explained how the Huret mounting bolt(s) allowed adjustm
>the freeplay at the B-pivot. I had always wondered why my T
>with it's Duopar derailer, made wheel removal so difficult
>derailer didn't pivot at all with the bolt torqued down and
>wheel was thus barely removeable.
>I checked the bolt and
>threads. Any idea how t
>on this one? There's
>a bit less than orig
>was to bottom out ag
>with some
>space betwe

No, the washer is correct, and there sho between derailleur and hanger.

There sho locknut. This bolt and figure tha place, but as you ob when you remove the wheel

Instead of tightening the bolt all the way, you tighten it just so much that the derailleur swings without play, then lock in that ad scr other locknut has

dropout.

For exploded diagrams and detailed instructions, refer on overhauling a Huret Jubilee derailleur in Bicycle Qu 5, No. 1.

Considering how many Huret derailleurs mu might be worth while to remanufacture them. Mak simple enough. So far, I have done OK by cannibalizin or worn Huret derailleurs...

Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.bik ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2 From: gpvb1@comcast.net To: classicrendezvous@bike Subject: [CR]BBB visit report Message-ID: <04292008010 Con MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8b Precedence: list Message: 3

No, not the Better

Recently, I was in Bisbee Arizona. I thought look for Ken Wallace's place.'

So I

in Arizona. My s.o. and I were standing across the street from the looking in the windows for a few minutes, when this hip-look like Ken saunters up the street. Hey, it is Ken! We improptu tour of just about every inch of the jam the larger space just down the street that K soon.

As many of you know, Ken and perhaps even m pretty sure, be

space is probably double what he has currently.

See a little addre

Now I have a semi-legitimate excuse funky and cool high-desert minin near the Mexican border. Co

Thanks Ken!

Greg Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan http://www.bic

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> To: Classic Subject: [CR]cinelli b Message-ID: <4816799F.9040803@verizon.net&gt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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a few people.

1) The bivalents are neat, even though they are a pai example, to true them you have to dismount the drop- (receivers) and mount them in the truing jig.

2) As att whe mat

Otherwise, the dished wheel gets offset.

3) The pix in the curr me draw your attentio notice that all four "c "drop-out adapters" are different from eac skewers mount on the

4) On the skewers, not together. When this is re retainer. Then you can sl again. On some, this helix. They do not int threadings on that poor littl a RH thread, but the little thread. That skewer flats, and some other

5) These shells are the one-piece design, which I bel the 3-piece with steel barrel. Anyone know for sure?

Now, with all this new-found knowledge, you can look at last week's (320243101833) and have a better sense of what a wild goose chase might be to find and gather all the missing pieces from that auction set of bivalents. But, I'd love to have those rims... That's proba

much clearer than all the wordsmithing I tried to do last week.

In any event, I'm glad that I got some bivalents a couple of decades ago, in a trade. We all differ in our resources and our attitudes, bu I don't think I'd pay the going market price for a set today. Hard t explain, but might lead to significant loss of marital capital. :-)

I enjoy riding the BiValents on my beat-up Cinelli, and enjoy them to folks. I'll bring them to Cirque. They're riders, and

harvey sachs mcLean va. usa. ------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:39:44 -0700 From: Bob Freitas &l To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@ Cc: Al Van Varick <alvan519@cox.net> Subject: Message-ID: <48167C60.1040403@pacbell.ne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

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I have posted some photos of Bivalent hubs o ,Thanks Again) To go back to the beginning of present except for the T shape attachment hole in the chainstay This is shown in the first picture with the photo from the the background (Thank You, Harvey S) the one pictured is from a 10/24 machine screw ,some wire and some basic har original bike mechanics were Blacksmiths, Right?) these a behind on some past bike so they do not show up very of This allows you to position the rear wheel for easy mounting in frame mechanism which is attached to the bike. The photo of the maybe help you freewheel to hub driv Hub pictured is the first style with the spline that threa hub(later ones thread into the hub-THANK YOU ! Peter J)

Hope this helps plus it should end up in the archives t help others in the future

WARM MILL VALLEY ,CA

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/NITROBOBs-GARAG ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Apr From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com&g To: Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net> Cc: CR List <Class Subject: Re: [CR]RE:Cinelli bivalent hubs Message-ID: <794226.31998.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Re Content-Type: text/plain; c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Ciao Roberto,

I remem thin

Regards, David Martinez Fremont Ca US of A

Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net> wrote:

I have ,Thanks To go back to the beginning of this string, It looks like all pa present except for the T shaped tire stop which went into the f attachment hole in the chainstay brace. This is shown in the f the background (Than from a 10/24 machine original bike mechani behind on some past This allows you to position the frame mechanism which is attached The photo of the parts (blue background) will enlarge to a maybe help you all understand some of the various parts pl freewheel to hub drive mechanism. Hub pictured is the first s hub(later ones thread

Hope this helps plus it should en help others in the future BOB FREITAS WAR

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:55:58 -0400 From: a To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Car Message-ID: <8CA77BBAF3ADF87-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Precedence: list Message: 7

Listers and Listees,

think) Teledyne Titan frame with the ORIGINAL FORK.? It's a 58cm frame.? Unfortunately, it was temporarily under 9 feet of seawater when Katrina Biloxi/ Ocean Springs, Mississippi area.? So?the components ?on steel bits are very corroded.?? As the future caregiver some info from the Titan experts on the list.?? 1 transfers available out there?? 2) I have a 26.8 s right now but appears a?just a tad?loose.? Is for the frame?? 3)? The tiny cable guide stay.....where can I get one of thos number yet.? When I find it, I'l page.? 5) I'm not changing Thanks, David Allen Marietta, Georgia near the Big Chi

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:08:54 -040 From: "Jason Osborne" <Josborne@mhlcc.com> To: <classicren Subject: [CR] Moser Track Bike on eBay...ancill Message-ID: <18FCC5CDE455E94E98DE41E61134BEAF017BFDA6@ma Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

The De bike. Th compare Jerse

to the decals, livery, seat stays, fork, etc...

My frame was a Zealand. I reached purchased the frame factory. He states i team in Italy for 6 m Moser never rode for

Incidentally on "some" De Rosa track model an engraving of the pros name and or init crown. Not sure if this was at the facto across this on more than a couple De Rosa Pis Here is an example of one ridden by the Belgian

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9011299@N07/2451958016

Jason E. Osborne

Medford, NJ

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:32:56 From: gholl@optonline.net To: Jason Osborne <Josborne@ Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org& Subject: Re: [CR] Moser Track Bike on eBay...ancillary info Messa In-Reply-To: &lt

References: <18FCC5CDE455E94E98DE41E61134BEAF017BFDA6@mail1-nj.M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/gholl_photos/DSC0 Sometimes pro's names were placed on De Rosa bikes. Either decals (as in your example), pantography, and even plasti attached to rims (as in the link above-the post is pant "Argentin" and tapes with the words "Argentin" and "Sammonta However, this added-th whol George George Hollenberg MD CT, USA

----- Original From: Jason Osborne Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:1 Subject: [CR] Moser Track Bike on eBay...ancillary info To: clas
> The De Rosa track listed as a Moser
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>
> My frame was acquired from a racer, Trevor Rice who i
> New
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> him he
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> the
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> Zealand
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> Moser never rode for them he rode for Sanson".
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Date: Tue, From: Dale Brown To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Message-ID In-Reply- Content-Type: te MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Enc Precedence: list Message: 10

After years of w their messages or never simp

suddenly finding themselves no longer enrolled in this forum when they pos message either lacking a sign off, or omitting required information, that information in a cutesy or codified manner.

Many of you would be wise to reread all the rules again, but here rile #1 again:

"1. Sign off all messages with your fi name, and your city, state & country. No anony people can readily understand, spell out the "straight up" way, using no abbreviations or want our members to know where we are from; that

"real person to real person," so to speak. If you cannot do this whatever reason, please do not join."

Of course the http://www.classicrendezvous.com/CR_li

Offenders who find themselves in this predicament can r first time and? that application will be accepted, b shifted to the offender rather than me cajoling and begging folks to com

Thanks to all those who have modified their email so that t have a sign off signature included in their emails and heartburn! ?? :)

?Dale

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrende

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From To: classicrendezvous &lt Subject: [CR]Chicagoland Bike Swap M Message-ID: <929973.27879.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo Content-Type: text/plain; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8b Precedence: list Message: 11

This swap meet was posted to t from Craigslist.

Peter Naiman Glendale, WI USALAND

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From: kerriganbennett@comcast.net (K.R. Bennett) To: classicrendezvous@ Subject: [CR]CR members dropping like flies as sign off rul Message-ID: <042920081503.11972.481738A90006FAEE00002E Content-Type: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Prec Message: 12

Dale,

It's a good rule and I unde that I for one will real "United States of Ameri

soon.

Best,

Kerrigan R. Bennett Pleasant Hill, Ca

P.S. When people are so removed rejoin?

Archive-UR http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:57:45 -0400 From: Dale Brown & Subject: [CR]CR members dropping like flies as

After years of writing hundreds of mes their messages as required (because lazy or never read the rules when program of simply removing transgr hands alike are suddenly finding forum when they post a message ei required information, or manner.

Many ol

"1. Sign off all messages with your first & las name, and your city, state & country. No anonymity permitte people can readily understand, spell out the required inf "straight up" way, using no abbreviations or short cuts? W want our members to know where we are from; that will as " this, for

whatever reason, please do not join."

Of course the rules in http://www.classicrendezvous.com/CR_list_rules.

Offenders who find themselves in this predicament can rejoin as first time and? that application will be accepted, is shifted to the offender rather than me havi writing, cajoling and begging folks to comply.

Thanks to all those who have modified their email so that they automatically have a sign off signature included in their emails and sa all of us from heartburn! ?? :)

?Dale

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezv

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:20:03 -070 From: "Charles F Nighbor" <cnighbor1@comcast.net> To: <cla Subject: [CR] Listed on Craigslist c Vintage Message-ID: <0 Content-Type: MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13

Not Seller but wish I was buyer Charles Nighbor

Walnut Creek, CA http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/659700922.html

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From: David Feldman <feldmanbike@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvou Subject: [CR]Craigslist Paramount Message-ID: <4185 Content-Type: text/plain; cha MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Very interesting how Schwinn picked parts in the early Bike Boom--espec the combo of a Cinelli steel track stem and stem shifters on the e David Feldman Vancouver, WA

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