I don't agree with the assertion that 3Rensho Allez frames were only built in 1981-1982. Mine (on wooljersey) has all four of the traits you cite, but is identical in every respect to the bike shown in the 1984 catalog. I have uploaded the catalog to wooljersey so you can see it: http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Randy+Dugan/allez/pg+1.jpg.html Note the catalog mentions the Campy dropouts, for one.
Also, the bike I used to own that I discussed in the last post had the Neenan sticker on the chainstay, as well as the 4 traits you cite, so I don't think those are exclusive features either. That bike also had shimano drop-outs (chromed). It also had the early graphics so it wasn't from after 1983; I beleive it was made in '81 or'82.
I agree with your assessment of the SE being nice bikes on their own, that the blue bikes were all past the 3Rensho period, and you're right that the 3Rensho Allez red color is darker than that of the SE.
Randy Dugan Van Nuys, CA USA
According to the photo in the link below, that model has chrome drop faces that are Shimano. The owner claims it is a 1982 model. I've read Konno used both Shimano and Campy dropouts on the Allez. Considering it also has the offset fork crown and thinned long point lugs, it appears to be true.
-Justin LaBo Oakland, CA
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Bill Roberts
> 3Rensho Allez were made in 81 and 82 - only.
> They are QUITE easily identifiable.
> 1 - Offset fork crown. Positioned forward of the steerer centerline.
> 2 - Chrome Campy drops. There is NO other Allez with chrome drop faces.
> 3 - VERY long point lugs, filed to impossibly thin points.
> 4 - Hard to discern, but dark, blood red, metallic paint, with Allez on the
> Any bike with SE on the top tube, or which is blue, or has Tim Neenan on the
> chainstay, is NOT a Yoshi bike. These were 83 and later, made by Miyata,
> and perhaps others, and still very nice bikes. But not Yoshi
> It may be a bit hard to recognize these from blurry ebay auction pics. They
> are quite rare.
> Bill Roberts
> Jacksonville, OR USA