I am very interested in buying this from you. This is my first foray into custom bike making. I have one question about the standover height. I'm 5'2" and have used from from 48cm to 52 cm, but I want to make sure it fits me well. Thanks!
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> 1. Jack Taylor on ebay (Michael Thompson)
> 2. Tillston Hellenic 1950's, photos - info? (Simon P-J)
> 3. Help dating AD Bike (MARK)
> 4. Chain cleaning (EPL)
> 5. Re: Chain cleaning
> 6. Re: Chain cleaning (jeffrey piwonka)
> 7. Re: Chain cleaning (Steve Maas)
> 8. Re: Chain cleaning (James Valiensi)
> 9. Re: Chain cleaning (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 10. Re: Chain cleaning
> 11. RE : Cirque 2008 retrospective (quite long) (Peter Weigle)
> 12. Last chance before eBay....52cm PX-10 (LTravers)
> 13. Citrus Eats Brass! Was: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning (Thomas Adams)
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 03:21:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Thompson <meauxtown@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Jack Taylor on ebay
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> I have a gaggle of bikes on ebay right now. I'm on a mission to buy another
> Jack Taylor bike and I'm moving some bikes around. Please check out my
> auctions. 200235413197
> Thanks,
> Michael Thompson
> Monroe, Louisiana
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:54:15 +0100
> From: Simon P-J <simonpj@mac.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Tillston Hellenic 1950's, photos - info?
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> I'd be grateful for any information about this Tillston Hellenic frame
> (serial # T75):
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> The eBay seller said that this was one of 250 Hellenic frames made in the
> 1950's by Tillston of Stockton on Tees.
>
> Through the crude paint job the lugs look nicely finished. Is this a
> standard lug design?
>
> Any clues to a more precise date for the frame?
>
> How popular were Hellenic frames amongst small builders? Who made them,
> other than Thanet and Hetchins?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Wyndham Pulman-Jones
> Girton, Cambs., UK.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MARK <mhoffman0@snet.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Help dating AD Bike
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> I recently finished building up an Austro-Daimler "Olympian".
>
> I got this bike from a friend. It is constructed of Reynolds 531 DB
> tubing.
> I built it with 650b wheels to gain clearance for the wooden fenders I
> used.
> I displayed it at the Cirque, but was frankly guessing on what year
> category it should have been placed.
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows what year(s) this model was made.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Hoffman,
> New Britain, CT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
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>
> Deborah Kay wrote:
>
> "Hello Everyone,
> Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of July.
> I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean a chain up?
> Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
>
> Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website of the late
> great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed guide to chain
> cleaning here:
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
>
> Best of luck --
>
> ;-)
>
> Emanuel Lowi
> Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A ____________________________________________
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> re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:44:49 +0000 (GMT)
> From: gholl@optonline.net
> To: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> Message-ID: <e409c60f21685.486a26c1@optonline.net>
> In-Reply-To: <910307.98363.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with a great sense of humor.
> However, save for the world's most valuable chain, or going into the
> business of chain cleaning, the reference given seems elaborate, expensive
> and environmentally questionable.
> Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines which give excellent
> results and little environmental impact.
> George
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: EPL
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
>
> > Deborah Kay wrote:
> >
> > "Hello Everyone,
> > Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of
> > July.
> > I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean a
> > chain up?
> > Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> >
> > Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website
> > of the late
> > great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed
> > guide to chain
> > cleaning here:
> >
> > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> >
> > Best of luck --
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Emanuel Lowi
> > Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> >
> __________________________________________________________________=0AInstant
> Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and mo
> > re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at
> > http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:36:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>
> To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> Message-ID: <982686.49266.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> whoa. that sheldon link seems a little drastic.
> when i've had really bad chains, i get an extra jar
> and put a little automotive transmission fluid in it.
> let the chain soak a few days.
> put something down so you don't get tranny fluid all
> over the place and lay the chain out, scrub it with
> something. it'll be all clean.
> then i use some automotive brake cleaner to clean it
> off real good.
> i replace the chain and lube it with something. works
> ok.
>
> Jeff Piwonka
> Austin, Texas, USA
>
> --- gholl@optonline.net wrote:
>
> > The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with
> > a great sense of humor. However, save for the
> > world's most valuable chain, or going into the
> > business of chain cleaning, the reference given
> > seems elaborate, expensive and environmentally
> > questionable.
> > Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines
> > which give excellent results and little
> > environmental impact.
> > George
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: EPL
> > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> > Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> > To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
> >
> > > Deborah Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > "Hello Everyone,
> > > Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for
> > the 4th of
> > > July.
> > > I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How
> > to clean a
> > > chain up?
> > > Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> > >
> > > Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge
> > is the website
> > > of the late
> > > great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a
> > detailed
> > > guide to chain
> > > cleaning here:
> > >
> > > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> > >
> > > Best of luck --
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Emanuel Lowi
> > > Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> > >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________________=0AInstant
> > Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and mo
> > > re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at
> > > http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >
> >
> http://www.bikelist.org/
> > >
> >
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> http://www.bikelist.org/
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:43:54 -0700
> From: Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> Message-ID: <486A349A.3050705@nonlintec.com>
> In-Reply-To: <e409c60f21685.486a26c1@optonline.net>
> References: <910307.98363.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> <e409c60f21685.486a26c1@optonline.net>
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>
> Hmmmm....somehow I sense that this was one of Sheldon's April 1
> contributions. Not sure what gives me that idea; just a vague feeling, I
> guess, but it's there nonetheless.
>
> Steve Maas
> Long Beach
>
> gholl@optonline.net wrote:
> > The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with a great sense of
> humor. However, save for the world's most valuable chain, or going into the
> business of chain cleaning, the reference given seems elaborate, expensive
> and environmentally questionable.
> > Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines which give excellent
> results and little environmental impact.
> > George
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: EPL
> > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> > Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> > To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
> >
> >> Deborah Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> "Hello Everyone,
> >> Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of
> >> July.
> >> I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean a
> >> chain up?
> >> Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> >>
> >> Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website
> >> of the late
> >> great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed
> >> guide to chain
> >> cleaning here:
> >>
> >> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> >>
> >> Best of luck --
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Emanuel Lowi
> >> Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________=0AInstant
> Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and mo
> >> re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at
> >> http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >> http://www.bikelist.org/
> >>
> >
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > http://www.bikelist.org/
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:02:53 -0700
> From: James Valiensi <valiensi@mac.com>
> To: Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> Message-ID: <9FA1B794-88F9-4BF1-807D-0D3FC60E96FA@mac.com>
> In-Reply-To: <486A349A.3050705@nonlintec.com>
> References: <910307.98363.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> <e409c60f21685.486a26c1@optonline.net> <486A349A.3050705@nonlintec.com>
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>
> Hi,
> I've put chains in a ziplock storage container with simple green or
> the orange citrus cleaner and set them on top of the washing machine
> or dyer while they run. They vibrations of the machines would clean
> the chain pretty darn good. Then I'd just rinse the chain with water,
> spray with WD-40 and then lube.
> Alas, my wife bought a stackable washer and dryer. So I got an ultra
> sonic cleaner. Again I use simple green or the orange stuff. They
> chains sure come clean with this machine.
> Cheers!
> James Valiensi
> Northridge, CA USA
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Steve Maas wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm....somehow I sense that this was one of Sheldon's April 1
> > contributions. Not sure what gives me that idea; just a vague
> > feeling, I guess, but it's there nonetheless.
> >
> > Steve Maas
> > Long Beach
> >
> > gholl@optonline.net wrote:
> >> The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with a great sense
> >> of humor. However, save for the world's most valuable chain, or
> >> going into the business of chain cleaning, the reference given
> >> seems elaborate, expensive and environmentally questionable.
> >> Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines which give
> >> excellent results and little environmental impact.
> >> George
> >> George Hollenberg MD
> >> CT, USA
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: EPL Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> >> Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> >> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
> >>> Deborah Kay wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Hello Everyone,
> >>> Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of
> >>> July. I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean
> >>> a chain up? Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> >>> Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website
> >>> of the late
> >>> great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed guide
> >>> to chain cleaning here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck --
> >>>
> >>> ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Emanuel Lowi
> >>> Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> >>> __________________________________________________________________=0
> >>> AInstant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and mo
> >>> re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://
> >>> ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >>> http://www.bikelist.org/
> >>>
> >> George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: James Valiensi <valiensi@mac.com>,
> Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> Message-ID: <203234.44885.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> I've used concentrated citrus degreaser and the wire brush that Park makes.
> Citrus degreaser has the advantage of having a pleasant odor if you are
> using it in the basement or on the porch. And perhaps we like to think it
> is more environmentally friendly than petroleum solvents, although when
> disposing of dirty used solvent it probably presents the same issues. One
> disadvantage is that citrus degreaser can form a gum on parts if you soak
> them for many days. It's also expensive, and I've had trouble lately
> finding the concentrated form, which is used in industry, as opposed to the
> typical retail form that is diluted with water, using an emulsifier.
>
> I now have a shop in the back yard detached from the house, so odor is not
> an issue, and I've returned to just using petroleum solvent. Laquer thinner
> seems to work the best and will eventually evaporate rather than forming
> gum. In fact, I've used it to remove the gum left on parts by leaving them
> soaking too long in the citrus degreaser. Paint pans of the type used with
> paint rollers make a pretty good container for soaking parts, including
> chains.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
>
> James Valiensi <valiensi@mac.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've put chains in a ziplock storage container with simple green or
> the orange citrus cleaner and set them on top of the washing machine
> or dyer while they run. They vibrations of the machines would clean
> the chain pretty darn good. Then I'd just rinse the chain with water,
> spray with WD-40 and then lube.
> Alas, my wife bought a stackable washer and dryer. So I got an ultra
> sonic cleaner. Again I use simple green or the orange stuff. They
> chains sure come clean with this machine.
> Cheers!
> James Valiensi
> Northridge, CA USA
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Steve Maas wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm....somehow I sense that this was one of Sheldon's April 1
> > contributions. Not sure what gives me that idea; just a vague
> > feeling, I guess, but it's there nonetheless.
> >
> > Steve Maas
> > Long Beach
> >
> > gholl@optonline.net wrote:
> >> The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with a great sense
> >> of humor. However, save for the world's most valuable chain, or
> >> going into the business of chain cleaning, the reference given
> >> seems elaborate, expensive and environmentally questionable.
> >> Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines which give
> >> excellent results and little environmental impact.
> >> George
> >> George Hollenberg MD
> >> CT, USA
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: EPL Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> >> Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> >> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
> >>> Deborah Kay wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Hello Everyone,
> >>> Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of
> >>> July. I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean
> >>> a chain up? Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> >>> Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website
> >>> of the late
> >>> great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed guide
> >>> to chain cleaning here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck --
> >>>
> >>> ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Emanuel Lowi
> >>> Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> >>> __________________________________________________________________=0
> >>> AInstant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and mo
> >>> re... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://
> >>> ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >>> http://www.bikelist.org/
> >>>
> >> George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >> http://www.bikelist.org/
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:41:04 -0400
> From: <apw55@adelphia.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
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>
> "Hmmmm....somehow I sense that this was one of Sheldon's April 1
> contributions. Not sure what gives me that idea; just a vague feeling, I
> guess, but it's there nonetheless.
>
> Steve Maas
> Long Beach"
>
>
> Steve is correct about this. Sheldon posted this on the website on April
> 1, 2007. I stumbled across it that morning and sent an email telling him
> how amused I was by it. I was quite surprised to receive a reply thanking
> me for my comments.
>
> Regards,
> Alan Weeks
> Lake Placid, NY
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:21:21 -0400
> From: "Peter Weigle" <jpweigle@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Wayne Bingham" <wbingham753@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist.Org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]RE : Cirque 2008 retrospective (quite long)
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Cirque 2008 retrospective (quite long)
>
>
> Wayne, MJ and all,
>
> As I mentioned to the CR list shortly after the show, I thought you guys
> did
> a great job of transitioning the show from Greensboro to Leesburg.
>
> Considering how many things changed, location, promoters venues, etc., the
> transition seemed pretty seamless, and I have to say this Cirque
> experience
> (for me) was right up there with the best ones I had in Greensboro. I
> remember leaving Dale's show with a post show high, and I had the same
> "buzz
> on" after this one.
>
> Venue.
> I thought the show venue at the fair grounds was just fine. If it had been
> cooler outside the building would have been great. Yes, maybe a little
> rustic or agrarian, but there was a lot of space and the bikes on display
> had a lot of room around them so it was easy to view and photograph them.
>
> The lighting in the building was quite good I thought. The colors of the
> bikes looked pretty true. I remember being at the hand Made Show in San
> Jose
> and the lighting affected the way everyone's bikes looked, and trust me it
> wasn't flattering.
>
> I loved some of the pictures folks took in the building, like the one of
> Velo O's fender display in the foreground and the great outdoors beyond.
> There were also a few bike shots with the same done in the same fashion.
>
> Judging.
> Judging Is always a tough one. It's very hard work to be a judge,(I've
> done
> it before at other events) and usually there's not much time to get the
> job
> finished. I know the judges always do the best they can with what they
> have
> to work with.
> I think having "original", or "restored" on the bikes display card would
> help everyone, including the judges understand what they were looking at.
> Should also be a "restored", but with a patina'd finish, (meaning restored
> but not to show room condition) along side the original and restored
> boxes.
>
> I have always felt that the promoter should read off the 3rd runner up,
> 2nd
> runner up etc. before they call out the winner in a particular category.
> This gives more people a chance to see where there bikes were in the line
> up. It also allows everyone to see what the winner was judged against.
> This would add about 10 min. to the show, but would be very meaningful to
> many. Everyone wants to know how close they were to what was considered to
> be the best...
> I felt this has been a short coming since the first Cirque I attended, I
> hope it will be included in next years event. It would help more people
> feel
> validated, and included.
> Instead of going home and telling family and friends,,, "I didn't win
> anything again", you could go home and say" my bike was "almost" as good
> as,
> lets say ,one of Gary Delarosa's gleaming beauties!!! that would feel
> good
> now wouldn't
> it?
> I'm glad the KOF bikes are now off to themselves, I never thought these new
> bikes should take anything away from the great vintage bikes./
>
> Just a few thoughts.
> Again it was great to see everyone, as I mentioned before, cool seeing
> Dale
> have the time to relax and enjoy the show.
> Wayne and MJ, great job, you guys really came through on this one.
>
> Best to all,
> peter weigle
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:39:48 -0500
> From: LTravers <lat7575@swbell.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Last chance before eBay....52cm PX-10
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>
> This goes up at 2100 EDT on eBay, but you could save me some hassle by
> buying this lovely frame now.
>
> Candy Apple Red Peugeot PX-10 ca 1975 with black Nervex Pro lugs. I
> have seen only one other PX-10 in this color, but that really means
> nothing. Measures 52cm x 54.5cm c-to-c. Included are serviceable
> Campag NR cups and lockring. No headset is included. Paint is overall
> in VG condition with scratches and scrapes from 30 years of use. There
> has been touchup done, mostly on the lower seat tube and BB area. The
> checker decals on the seat tube, the head badge, and the seat stay cap
> decals are repros. Chrome is in really nice condition. The frame rides
> great and I always got compliments on the bike when I rode it. But I am
> going to narrow my collection and now this frame falls outside my
> objectives.
>
>
> Frame photos at http://s183.photobucket.com/
>
> Frame built up at
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> I will list it BIN with shipping at $150. If you buy from this email, I
> will do $125 shipped.
>
> No Paypal...personal check, MO, or cashier's check from CR listers
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> Lynn Travers
> Hazelwood, Missouri USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:03:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Citrus Eats Brass! Was: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
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>
> Dear List:
>
> A word of warning to anyone using a citrus degreaser, it turns brass plated
> chains silvery colored. Even a short soak affects the color.
>
> Tom (Reginas no longer oro) Adams, Manhattan KS
>
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote
> :
>
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain cleaning
> To: "James Valiensi" <valiensi@mac.com>, "Steve Maas"
> <bikestuff@nonlintec.
> com>
> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 9:46 AM
>
> I've used concentrated citrus degreaser and the wire brush that Park makes.
>
> Citrus degreaser has the advantage of having a pleasant odor if you are usi
> ng it
> in the basement or on the porch. And perhaps we like to think it is more
> environmentally friendly than petroleum solvents, although when disposing o
> f
> dirty used solvent it probably presents the same issues. One disadvantage
> is
> that citrus degreaser can form a gum on parts if you soak them for many day
> s.
> It's also expensive, and I've had trouble lately finding the
> concentrated form, which is used in industry, as opposed to the typical ret
> ail
> form that is diluted with water, using an emulsifier.
>
> I now have a shop in the back yard detached from the house, so odor is no
> t an
> issue, and I've returned to just using petroleum solvent. Laquer thinner
> seems to work the best and will eventually evaporate rather than forming gu
> m.
> In fact, I've used it to remove the gum left on parts by leaving them
> soaking too long in the citrus degreaser. Paint pans of the type used with
> paint rollers make a pretty good container for soaking parts, including cha
> ins.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
>
> James Valiensi <valiensi@mac.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've put chains in a ziplock storage container with simple green or
> the orange citrus cleaner and set them on top of the washing machine
> or dyer while they run. They vibrations of the machines would clean
> the chain pretty darn good. Then I'd just rinse the chain with water,
> spray with WD-40 and then lube.
> Alas, my wife bought a stackable washer and dryer. So I got an ultra
> sonic cleaner. Again I use simple green or the orange stuff. They
> chains sure come clean with this machine.
> Cheers!
> James Valiensi
> Northridge, CA USA
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Steve Maas wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm....somehow I sense that this was one of Sheldon's April 1
> > contributions. Not sure what gives me that idea; just a vague
> > feeling, I guess, but it's there nonetheless.
> >
> > Steve Maas
> > Long Beach
> >
> > gholl@optonline.net wrote:
> >> The late Mr. Sheldon Brown was a wonderful man with a great sense
> >> of humor. However, save for the world's most valuable chain, or
> >> going into the business of chain cleaning, the reference given
> >> seems elaborate, expensive and environmentally questionable.
> >> Some bike shops now have enzymatic cleaning machines which give
> >> excellent results and little environmental impact.
> >> George
> >> George Hollenberg MD
> >> CT, USA
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: EPL Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:31 am
> >> Subject: [CR]Chain cleaning
> >> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org"
> >>> Deborah Kay wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Hello Everyone,
> >>> Hope everyone is doing well, and getting ready for the 4th of
> >>> July. I was wondering if you could give me an idea, How to clean
> >>> a chain up? Your help is appreciated, Thank you"
> >>> Best on-line source of cycling-related knowledge is the website
> >>> of the late
> >>> great Sheldon Brown. He was good enough to post a detailed guide
> >>> to chain cleaning here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck --
> >>>
> >>> ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Emanuel Lowi
> >>> Montreal, Quebec=0A=0A=0A
> >>>
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