Re: [CR]Conserve or Restore? 1950 Carlton Flyer.

(Example: Production Builders:Pogliaghi)

From: "Pat Moffat" <rocketman_531@msn.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "donald gillies" <gillies@ece.ubc.ca>
References: <20080730040457.48453EC89@ug14.ece.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: [CR]Conserve or Restore? 1950 Carlton Flyer.
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:58:27 -0700
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When the frame went out the back door of the workshop for the first time, it must have been a stunning bike. Even now, with all of its issues, it still has so much personality. That being said, if it were my frameset and I had the means, I would probably grit my teeth and send it to someone for a complete restoration. In the absence of any frame damage, I would do my best to conserve it and just ride it, but the damage just seems to be too great to overcome....

I purchased a Waterford F/F from a small shop in San Francisco (Box Dog Bicycles) that was thrashed...several small dings and paint that someone tried to remove with a log chain. It came back from Waterford looking like the day it was built, and I have never regretted it.

Pat Moffat Tempe Arizona USA ----- Original Message ----- From: donald gillies<mailto:gillies@ece.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org<mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: [CR]Conserve or Restore? 1950 Carlton Flyer.

Conserve or restore ??

Here is a 1950's Carlton Flyer frameset. This is the lightest 531 frameset that I own at 1958 grams. Overall (with fork) it's lighter than my TI Raleigh Team Pro SB310 from 1975, by 140 grams++.

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50<http://www.ece.ubc ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50> Overall.JPG

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50<http://www.ece.ubc ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50> Crash.JPG

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50<http://www.ece.ubc ca/~gillies/raleigh/Carlton/Flyer50> Crimped Seatsays.JPG

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/weights.txt<http://www.ece.ubc.ca/ ~gillies/raleigh/weights.txt>

As you can see, the head badge decal is practically gone, and it's been in a front-end crash. Moreover, someone mistakenly put a rack on the back, crimping the seat stays.

Some paint on the (all chrome) fork steering column indicates that the original color was emerald green. The present color is lentil green. Someone seems to have stripped the lower head lug, which is dull chrome or nickel. The upper head lug is painted. The lugs are picked out in white, but the job is bad I'm certain it wasn't done by Carlton. The fork is in marginal condition, with no paint and bubbled chrome everywhere, but surprisingly, little or no perforation in the chrome (sorry, no picture.)

The seat tube behind the seat lug is wrinkled, and David Cunningham (Joe Bell's frame repair guy) suggested that this could be caused by either a seatpost that was installed too high, or from an accident that resulted in a hard smack atop the seat.

Conserve or restore ?? How far would you go ??

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