Your problem isn't in the rims. You may have to replace the brake pads, lacquer thinner works very well to clean rubber...
Tom M. Jue San Francisco, CA
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1. WTB: Nice Mixte 50cm or Smaller (Nathan Cozzolino) 2. wtt; 130 mm 1a stem for 100 -105 cinelli stem 26.4 3. Re: WTB: Nice Mixte 50cm or Smaller (Mike Schmidt) 4. Legnano ID and age (Mark Battley) 5. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 6. Eddy Merckx for sale (Corbin Shell) 7. Stelbel bikes (Steven Maasland) 8. RE: Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 (John T.Pergolizzi) 9. Re: Bianchi Specialissima 10. Re: Bianchi Specialissima 11. more on "what is my bike!" (Pete Korhonen) 12. What's a Colin Cape? (John Wirt) 13. D-shaped Campy caliper arms... when introduced? (Tom Dalton) 14. AW: [CR]more on "what is my bike!" (Schmid) 15. RE: FOLLOW-UP RE: D-shaped Campy caliper arms... (Tom Dalton) 16. Nervex swap offer; flamekeeping (Toni Theilmeier)
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:43:27 +0000 From: Nathan Cozzolino <cozzolino77@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WTB: Nice Mixte 50cm or Smaller Message-ID: <BLU104-W44B037A7BAF73ED22935F4A8780@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
I would like to find (or build) a nice mixte around 50cm or smaller. An old er British or French one would be nice i.e. Alex Singer, Herse, or Jack Taylor. Some more obscure marks would be nice too.
Please let me know if you have one you would like to part with.
thanks
Nathan Cozzolino San Francisco, California
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:48:12 EDT From: KvnMuadib@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]wtt; 130 mm 1a stem for 100 -105 cinelli stem 26.4 Message-ID: <bd1.3779c042.35c7abcc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
hi all does anyone have a 100 mm stem they would trade for a 130 mm 1a ste m. has insertion marks that could be polished out overall appearance still good.thanks or can buy outright possibly. kevin ruberg howell nj usa ps can be
1a, 1r ,xa just 26.4 clamp
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Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:29:37 -0400 From: Mike Schmidt <mdschmidt56@verizon.net> To: Nathan Cozzolino <cozzolino77@hotmail.com> Cc: "<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]WTB: Nice Mixte 50cm or Smaller Message-ID: <81553E2C-4689-4A45-A22D-EB7D11B0F358@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <BLU104-W44B037A7BAF73ED22935F4A8780@phx.gbl> References: <BLU104-W44B037A7BAF73ED22935F4A8780@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A345) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Check with Alex March. He usually has a few mixtes kicking around.
Mike Schmidt Stirling, New Jersey Sent from my iPhone
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wrote:
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> I would like to find (or build) a nice mixte around 50cm or smaller.
> An old
> er British or French one would be nice i.e. Alex Singer, Herse, or
> Jack
> Taylor. Some more obscure marks would be nice too.
>
> Please let me know if you have one you would like to part with.
>
> thanks
>
> Nathan Cozzolino
> San Francisco, California
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:33:44 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Battley <mark.battley@xtra.co.nz> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Legnano ID and age Message-ID: <536163.54336.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Hi all,
A battered and abused Legnano followed me home, and I'd ap prec iate any hints on ID and age: Serial # FT2801
http://picasaweb.goo gle. com/MarkABattley/Legnano
In addition to being painted black (inclu ding the headset...), and no longer having its original fork (shame), it's a ra ndom mix of components from a Campagnolo Gran Sport front hub through to a
Shimano Tourney rear brake, with various era Suntour and Simplex thrown in
to add to the confusion...
Campagnolo parts include: - Crankse t: Rec ord 151 BCD, 57/48 chainrings, no lips at pedals, so 1962-1966?? - Shif tl evers: "closed C", although has a funky extra clip at the base of the RH le ver?? (http://picasaweb.google.com/MarkABattley/Legnano/photo#52303804 62 368844578) - Headset(?) - Front hub: 3 piece Gran Sport(?) high fla nge 32 spoke
Otherwise, and of limited dating help, it has: - Sunt our FD
- Simplex RD - Shimano brake levers - Mis-matched 27" alloy clincher s - Unknown ID steel double sided rear hub, 40 spoke, has "Whitedak" (or similar) hand scratched into shell - ALPS alloy stem, steel handlebars( ?)
- Classy foam handle bar grip....
Is early 60s to fit with th e cran kset plausible?
Thanks,
Mark Battley Auckland, New Ze aland
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:42:12 -0400 From: hvulpus@gmail.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 Message-ID: <928d7b7a0808031842v201c2678ybcec8f64f0a21cd9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODEEi8TywMf000029fb@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODEEi8TywMf000029fb@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Dear Friends,
I spilled some chain cleaner and perhaps some T-9 on my back tire rims whic h now squeal when I brake. I tried cleaning whatever was on there with a citrus chain cleaner, which didn't stop the squealing.
And advice on this one?
Best,
Howard Bloch Swarthmore, PA
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:18:21 -0400 From: "Corbin Shell" <corbinshell@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Eddy Merckx for sale Message-ID: <003d01c8f5e0$c2013e80$6403a8c0@CJLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Hello Everyone,
I am selling my 10th anniversary Eddy Merckx road bike. Purchased it last year at the Cirque from a fellow who purchased the frame from Dale in th e early 1990's. He built it up with a full Durace group and never rode the bike. I put on a computer and rode it in one mountain century. The bike has been ridden a total of 116 miles. Not may 18 year old Merckx have been ridden that few miles! The shift lever for the front got stuck and I think a gear jammed up or something so the front derailleur does not work and th e lever needs to be fixed or replaced. Anyone interested in photos please email me. The bike is beautiful!!!!! Pearl white top tube and blue. Durace triple 30/42/52 and 12-27 rear. Everything is Durace including the seat post. Deda 100mm stem, mavic open pro rims 32 spoke with DT Swiss spokes. Cateye computer. Frame measures 57.5 ctc on the top tube and 57.5cm on the seat tube. $1400 plus shipping.Bike is like new. Email me for photos or call me at 919-810-3708 est till 11:30pm.
Corbin corbinshell@mindspring.com Wilmington, NC
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:15:49 -0400 From: "Steven Maasland" <themaaslands@comcast.net> To: "CR" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Stelbel bikes Message-ID: <6F66C637E22248418B2EEAB54A17A3C6@ToshibaLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
The other day Stefano Sandoli over in Italy offered a very interesting Stelbel bike to the list.
For those that didn't take the time to look more carefully, I must heartily recommend that you take a look. The bike is truly special and represents a real stepping stone in teh development of the Italian racing bike heritage. The builder Stelio Belletti was if not the very first, one of the very first Italian frame builders to employ TIG welding on his frames (in the 70's). He also used some other truly unique features and deserves to be remembered. In the bike that Stefano offered for sale, you can see that the frame was not only tig welded, but Belletti also sought out a novel way to construct the fork crown and a novel lay-out for the stays.
Somebody should really talk to Stefano about this bike and bring it over to Le Cirque, Larz and Velo Rendezvous. You can link to the thread by clicking here:
http://search.bikelist.org/
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA
PS: I have no stake whatsoever in this bike, although Stefano is a friend
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:44:09 -0700 From: "John T.Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@sbcglobal.net> To: <hvulpus@gmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 Message-ID: <002e01c8f5ec$bca53610$6501a8c0@Perry> In-Reply-To: <928d7b7a0808031842v201c2678ybcec8f64f0a21cd9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Howard Bloch asked:
"I spilled some chain cleaner and perhaps some T-9 on my back tire rims which now squeal when I brake. I tried cleaning whatever was on there with a citrus chain cleaner, which didn't stop the squealing.
And advice on this one"
Denatured alcohol. Almost as good as triethyl-chloride. And w/o all the brain loss. Opps,........ too late.
John T.Pergolizzi San Diego, Ca. All warnings apply
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 8:41:29 -0500 From: <jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Bianchi Specialissima Message-ID: <6u80qt$6lss71@rrcs-agw-02b.hrndva.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
I've attached a link from Mark Bulgier's list of catalog scans for a 1983 Bianchi catalog.
Top of the line was the Super Leggera for 1983. It had been the Super Cors a, which was dropped by '83. I believe that the Specialissima, at least in 1983, was just a frameset.
The Super Leggera was basically a built up Specialissima frameset.
The Reparto Corsa framesets, to my knowledge, all had the chromed Bianchi c aps, not the circle B's. Also, chromed drop outs, chromed fork crowns (painted tops), and chromed chain stay. The earlier Super Corsa and Super Leggera's had chromed head lugs. By '83 the RC framesets no longer had the chromed head lugs.
Also, the Reparto Corsa frames typically had a gold foil decal at the base of the seat tube with the month and year of manufacture. Also, the top tube b rake cable braze-ons are very thin, not typical of the era.
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 8:45:47 -0500 From: <jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Bianchi Specialissima Message-ID: <6u80qt$6lsv1s@rrcs-agw-02b.hrndva.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10
Oops,
Forgot to attach the link:
http://www.bulgier.net/
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:49:07 +0300 From: "Pete Korhonen" <pkorho@possu.org> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]more on "what is my bike!" Message-ID: <9c7f0cd10808040649h2282f932u5b7d57217d2d7ab8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
Hello everyone again:
recent visit to Paris I ran into a bike that had similar lugs than mine has (that people on the list have also tried to identifie). This bike was also painted over but a part of the head badge was visible:
http://rok.possu.org/
saying "RTA" -- any suggestions?
and my bike has right handed threads on the fixed cup side - they tend to come loose while riding... =D
- pete
pete korhonen / helsinki / finland
WAS
>> "Hi Pete,
>> Welcome to the list!
>> The lugs you pictured are similar but not exactly the lugs on my
Torpado commuter, seen here
http://www.wooljersey.com/
>> I have been told it was common in the late 60s and early 70s for
Italian sellers to offer low-end frames with "fancy" lugs. If you
look under that paint I would guess you definately find some chrome that
>> added to tarting-up the frame.
>> You may be aware of this but if the fixed bottom bracket cup (on the
drive side) has right-handed threads, it is of Italian origin. It is the
easiest way to check.
>> Best regards,
>> David Beck"
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:57:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: John Wirt <frankensaab@earthlink.net> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]What's a Colin Cape? Message-ID: <22070436.1217858239057.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: John Wirt <frankensaab@earthlink.net> Message: 12
Rendevooers... Found this on my local Craigslist...
http://boise.craigslist.org/
Add says it's a NR equipped Colin Cape and appears to be w/in our timeline. I've never heard of these bikes...
john wirt boise, id USofA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: jb@velostuf.com Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]D-shaped Campy caliper arms... when introduced? Message-ID: <854161.66148.qm@web55915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com Message: 13
John,
The calipers on Ray's Specialissima apparently started life as the older "b olck logo" Record calipers. The big tip-off is that the slotted end sect ion of the arm to which the pad is attached has material where is would not have been present on the later "script logo" arms. Specifically, the ba ck edge of the slotted section is broadly radiused on the later arms, and w hile you can move material from the older arms to mirror this form, you can 't add material to the newer arms to mirror the older, squarer form seen on Ray's set. Note also that Ray's calipers feature all of the hardware as sociated with the older calipers (serrated friction washer, standard acorn
nut, open nut on cam assembly, stampings on centerbolts, hex-shaped cable a nchor w/o countersink.) The use of this caliper is fitting for a bike fr om 1984. I recall first seeing the script logo calipers in 1985. Desp ite the fact that the new calipers drew heavily upon features first seen in the 1983 Anni groups, the plain Super Record brakesets maintained the o ld "block logo" calipers throughout 1983 and 1984. Looking back at old race photos you'll see that the Campy-supplied riders had block logo calip ers throughout 1984, and suddenly, in 1985, virtually all teams had the "sc ript logo" calipers (Panasonic-Raleigh a notable exception). By early 19 86, most teams were on C-Record, and while normal script logo calipers were initially used as a substitute for the recalled early Deltas, it was only
a matter of month before the stop-gap Cobalto calipers showed up. So,
the script logo calipers, in normal Super Record guise, were really a one-s eason item among Campy-supplied pros. This contrasts pretty sharply wi th their relative abundance in the current marketplace. Note also that ALL script logo Record calipers are, technically speaking, off topic by
two full years.
As we discussed several months ago, there are other Bianchi-panto'd arms th at appear to be based on the later "script-logo" calipers and that odd set of NIP block-lettered calipers with the newer profile that are/were depicte d on your website appear to be from this same stock, but without the Bianch i logo applied.... IIRC.
Ray, I enjoyed viewing the typically-wondrful pics of your typically-wond erful Bianchi. I will pick one small nit and point out that the cran k bolts you refer to as rare actually appear to be the relatively common
1994-and-later that post-date the auto extractors. In fact, these bolts may have been in use until the stupid new "us-too" Hirst joint cr anks of 2008.
Tom Dalton Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA
I have a set of later script style campagnolo calipers. These have somewhat of a "D"-shaped cross section in the arms as opposed to the earlier "C" shaped cross section.
When did these D-shaped arms first appear?
In Ray Dobbins' excellent group of 1984 Bianchi Specialissima pictures
http://www.raydobbins.com/
He shows brake calipers that were "reshaped" then pantographed. They weren't reshaped from C-section arms were they? Ray?
So, 2 questions: 1) when did the script style (D-section) calipers first appear, and 2) what cross section did Ray's special caliper arms have?
John Barron Minneapolis MN USA http://www.velostuf.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:19:29 +0200 From: "Schmid" <schmidi@gaponline.de> To: "'Pete Korhonen'" <pkorho@possu.org>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: AW: [CR]more on "what is my bike!" Message-ID: <000501c8f63d$1b654a00$fe78a8c0@Twinhead> In-Reply-To: <9c7f0cd10808040649h2282f932u5b7d57217d2d7ab8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14
Could be a NORTA bike, a belgian brand which also marketed japanese made Tange Aero frames under their brand . I have one but mine has no similiarity to the pictured bike. So they might just labeled italian frames . No more knowledge on the brand other than that.
Regards
Michael Schmid Oberammergau Germany Tel.: +49 8821 798790 Fax.:+49 8821 798791 mail: schmid@zunterer.com http://www.zunterer.com
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von Pete Korhonen Gesendet: Montag, 4. August 2008 15:49 An: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Betreff: [CR]more on "what is my bike!"
Hello everyone again:
recent visit to Paris I ran into a bike that had similar lugs than mine has (that people on the list have also tried to identifie). This bike was also painted over but a part of the head badge was visible:
http://rok.possu.org/
saying "RTA" -- any suggestions?
and my bike has right handed threads on the fixed cup side - they tend to come loose while riding... =D
- pete
pete korhonen / helsinki / finland
WAS
>> "Hi Pete,
>> Welcome to the list!
>> The lugs you pictured are similar but not exactly the lugs on my
>> Torpado commuter, seen here
>> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>> and an Olmo I once owned that I >> converted to a fixed gear,
seen
>> here http://www.h3odesign.com/
>> common in the late 60s and early 70s for Italian sellers to offer
>> low-end frames with "fancy" lugs. If you look under that
paint I
would guess you definately find some chrome that added to tarting-up the
frame. You may be aware of this but if the fixed bottom bracket cup (on
the drive side) has right-handed threads, it is of Italian origin. It
is the easiest way to check. Best regards, David Beck"
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: manfredhegwer@hotmail.com Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]RE: FOLLOW-UP RE: D-shaped Campy caliper arms... Message-ID: <922823.6527.qm@web55913.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com Message: 15
Prior to 1985, Record caliper arms provided by Campy for pantographing by others would almost certainly have been the arms associated with "block-lo go" calipers of 1968-1984. However, it is possible that some calipers wi th the "Anniversary" profile (similar or identical to the 1985-and later "s cript logo" arms) might have been provided from 1983 onward... but I doubt
it. In any case, Ray's arms appear to have started as garden variety block
logo arms, as would have the arms on the 1979 Guerc., and presumably those on your '84 Guerc. since you say they are the same as Ray's Bianchi.
Tom Dalton Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA
I think I may be raising more questions than giving answers. I have a 19 84 Guerciotti with a full SR panto grouppo. It appears to me that the same
f orging or casting that made my caliper arms made the ones for Ray Dobbins'
Bianchi Specialissima. However, Ray Dobbins also has a full panto Guerci otti that was a show bike for the 1979 New York bike show. I could swear t hat this 1979 Guerciotti has the same calipers with the same engraving as m y 1984. He has had both his Bianchi and his Guerciotti listed on eBay re ce ntly. Also, I recall seeing pre 1984 Colnago brochures showing panto cal ipers that look as if they were made from the later caliper arms. Is it
po ssible that Campy made these arms for panto purposes only before adopting t hem into the standard SR grouppo?
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:52:44 +0200 From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Nervex swap offer; flamekeeping Message-ID: <D498575C-616B-11DD-9F98-0050E49E894D@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Precedence: list Message: 16
Back from my hols in the UK, inc. two Audaxes, ordering a new bike frame, and many more v. interesting experiences.
Anyway, I´m going to have my new bike built with Nervex Pro lugs, and
in order to make one more complete set of lugs out of my bits and bobs
in the box, I´d like to find out if someone might not want to swap either a b/b shell, a seat lug or a fork crown for the one piece I´m
lacking, a lower headlug. Please let me remind you that my computer is
on dial up internet and will not receive photos. Thanks.
Also I wonder if someone somewhere might not have reprinted the little
"Nervex Professionnel" transfer that came stapled to Nervex boxes and
which certainly would look nice on the new frame.
Before people start asking: I´ll have my new Audax frame made by Ellis
Briggs Cycles in Shipley/UK. I have had a very enlightening session with Andrew, their framebuilder. The Nervex idea was Andrew´s; when it
came to the choice of lugs I asked him which ones he preferred, to which he replied that he himself would like to work with Nervex if he could have a set.
What´s better than having a custom frame made, besides - well, you know what?
Toni Theilmeier, revelling in Belm, Germany.
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