Re: [CR]John Crump's Old Claud Butler.

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:08:28 -0500
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
From: "John Betmanis" <johnb@oxford.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]John Crump's Old Claud Butler.
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At 09:21 PM 17/01/2008 -0000, Mark Stevens wrote:
>Hello John, I happen to have bought a 22'' All -Rounder on Saturday. Frame
>52 12 5883 . Yours is 52 12 5787. Mine is different from the 52 model, oval
>fork blades not round
>From the Ebay pictures, John Crump's also has oval fork blades. My original '53 New Allrounder also had oval fork blades and I can't remember if the fork crown was chrome, even though the catalogue says so.
>Does yours have the
>seat clamp ring or is the seat clamp a bolt as part of the lug?

Again, from the Ebay pictures, John Crump's does not appear to use an external seat clamp, but what appears to be a normal seat lug. My '53 New Allrounder was like that even though the catalogue pictures clearly show an external clamp. This has always been a mystery to me because I've seen pictures of Avant Coureurs and New Allrounders both ways.
> You may find a letter stamped on the bracket (tucked up neat the chain
>stays) and steerer. This the code for the builder. My Allrounder has a ''U''
>but I dont know who that is.

My '51 New Allrounder frame (516 3031) has a "D" on the front of the steerer, but I have yet to strip it completely to see a letter on the bottom bracket.

John Betmanis
Woodstock, Ontario
Canada