Hi CR folks,
Dale's Bianchi comment and many others received are fantastic! I wanted to get the feedack going so I could fix the errors and missing data bits; then work evolves into a much more refined piece. So keep the comments comming, either on or off list, and in a few days I'll tweak up the present copy, add the missing (Cinelli Laser and Carlton were pointed out among others), and it will keep moving along.
The worst thing that can happen is if folks don't call the errors and they remain. Case in point - on the local Denver Craigslist is a junky Frejus for sale at $350 (drainpipe model) and the seller stole-and-pasted the Frejus info from the old price guide where it said that all Frejus bikes should be worth at least $750. I forgot about the lower end bikes years ago when I wrote it, and might have again! That ommission sat there for over a decade.
Thanks again everyone!
Mike Kone in Boulder CO USA
> Hi Dale:
> Of course you're correct-Kone's work is only just that-a guide.
>
> But, since I think it's essential to attract "new blood" to our
> hobby, and, like it or not, price is always an issue in collectabl
> es, if Kone's guide helps usher even a few newer collectors into the
> fold he will have done a great service.
> In any event if other collectables have price guides, why not vintage
> bikes?
> George
> George Hollenberg, MD
> CT, USA
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Brown
>
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]Mike Kone's Price Guide - Up on Web!
> To: hersefan@comcast.net, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> > Mike wrote:
> > << Let the controversy and heated debate begin!!! >>
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> > Ha ha!
> > I was going to say "Ah it's all BS!" before I even read it,
> just
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> > to give Mik
> > e a hard time. But all joking aside, thanks to Mike for being
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> > brave enough a
> > nd fool hardy enough to attempt this.
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> > Of course this can only serve as a guide of the broadest type.
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> > It could be e
> > xtremely helpful to the novice, but I warn those persons now, do
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> > not take it
> > as gospel. Examples of possible misses abound: first one to
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> > catch my eye wa
> > s in the Bianchi section:
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> > "The top 1960s examples will typically have full Campagnolo p
> > arts kits with Universal 61 brakes. For these bikes in
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> > guideline condi
> > tion, a value around $950 is likely. Note that many of these
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> > early Bia
> > nchi bikes used a proprietary integral headset which means
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> > replacement may b
> > e difficult."
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> > I can assure you that a Bianchi if that era bicycles "in very
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> > clean original
> > condition. Figure perhaps a bicycle with about 4,000 miles in
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> > well cared fo
> > r condition" will very likely fetch probably double that amount!
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> > On the other hand, I don't think you could get 1/2 the amount
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> > mentioned for
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> > a Cannondale of any sort...
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> > But that's what makes this all fun, different opinions,
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> > different experience
> > s... Keep up the good work Mike and we will (politely) argue
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> > about it over a
> > nd over again!
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> > Dale
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> > Dale Brown
> > cycles de ORO Bike Shop
> > 1410 Mill Street
> > Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> > 336-274-5959
> > http://cyclesdeoro.com
> > http://www.classicrendezvous.
> > com
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> > http://www.carolinacup.com
> > http://www.greensborovelo.com
> > http://www.bikegso.org
> > http://nbda.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hersefan@comcast.net
> > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 2:27 pm
> > Subject: [CR]Mike Kone's Price Guide - Up on Web!
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> > Hi CR folks,
> > Let the controversy and heated debate begin!!!
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> > After many years, I've finally started updating my vintage
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> > bicycle price gui
> > de!
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> > I'm taking the pre-Sheldon Brown modified version and adding
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> > info and new
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> > prices. The initial phase of this work is now available for viewin
> g.
> > It will be a work in progress for awhile, but right now I've
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> > started and hav
> > e
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> > done most of the first few letters of the alphabet. It is
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> > updated now throu
> > gh
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> > Cinelli. If folks want to send comments, compliments, hate
>
> > mail, or whateve
> > r
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> > regarding the guide (or anything else for that matter) please
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> > feel free.
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> > Eventually the whole deal will be flushed out, and if folks want
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> > to make
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> > comments that is great! If you provide instructive info, I'll
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> > incorporate t
> > he
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> > info into the guide as appropriate and cite you as a source.
> > As more updates are made, I'll email this group. I'm hoping
> to
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> > add a bit ev
> > ery
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> > week or so.
> > The guide can be accessed by going to http://www.ReneHerseBicycl
> es.com
> > At this point, my intent is for the guide to remain a free
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> > resources on the
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> > web.
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> > If you like the guide and the info, you can say "thanks" by
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> > patronizing Rene
> >
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> > Herse Bicycles/Boulder Bicycles and our on-line store (which has b
> > een updated
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> > with some more vintage and randonneur stuff over the past few days).
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> > Thanks so much!
> > Mike Kone in Boulder CO USA in Boulder CO
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> George Hollenberg MD
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> CT, USA