Re: [CR]The Crit Bike...also clarification of terms on Touring and Randonneuring bikes

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:46:22 -0400
From: "Edward Albert" <ealbert01@gmail.com>
To: "Eric Goforth" <eric.goforth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]The Crit Bike...also clarification of terms on Touring and Randonneuring bikes
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If you were a crit rider and especially a sprinter you rode narrow bars. 38cm if you could get away with them. In the last two or three laps you squeezed through holes that were not there and sometimes you crashed because they closed before you got through. I used to try to follow Pat Gelleneau or Cris Chongten through those holes. they usually got through for first and or second. I usually settled for a lower place. Who knows if the narrow bars (a couple of centimeters or so) helped but we sure did think they did. Further, if it was a road race we road the same bikes with a different block. Who had the money for more. but that was just the way it was. Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, USA

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Eric Goforth <eric.goforth@gmail.com>wrote:
> I've never heard of anyone using narrower handlebars on a Crit bike, maybe
> that was popular before my time. However, I never knew anyone who had a se
> parate bike for crits, maybe there were pro's who did. I personally wouldn
> 't feel comfortable racing a bike I wasn't super familiar with in a crit wh
> ere you're going around corners quite quickly, reacting to riders crashing,
> etc.
>
> Riders around here who who specialized in crits would typically use frames
> with steeper geometry, Cinelli 65 bars, and possibly bar-end shifters. Cr
> it wheels would have closer ratio gears. I'd go with a handlebar width bas
> ed on what feels comfortable, wider handebars will make your bike less "tw
> itchy."
>
> Eric Goforth
> Durham, North Carolina, USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tesanders@comcast.net>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: 10/16/2008 3:26 PM
> Subject: [CR]The Crit Bike...also clarification of terms on Touring and Ran
> donneuring bikes
>
> I haven't heard anyone comment on the different steering technique that a
> Crit bike seems to demand. Besides slipping easily through packed riders,
> the bars are perhaps narrower because less steering is done with them and
> more done with one's butt on the saddle. My first one was all set for its'
> test ride after assembly. It had rained earlier and the pavement was a
> little damp. I rode over to my daughter's house to show it to her and as
> her car was not in the drive way when I got there I made a U-Turn in the
> street to head back. I used about the usual lean and steer and was amazed
> to see it tuning in about half the normal turning radius.suddenly the rear
> tire broke traction on the pavement and I very nearly went down in a most
> spectacular fashion! After that I sort learned a technique of steering
> very little with the bars and shifting the butt on the saddle for most
> corrections.sure worked better for me! A more subtle hand and body movemen
> t
> is needed for bikes with this geometry for sure.
>
> Now a question that has been nagging me. Is a Randonneur bike merely a
> touring bike intended to carry less load? Maybe not the hundred pounds of
> stuff one might have on a cross country stint, but, say, forty pounds like
> one might have for a night or two on the road? The term Randonneur has
> picked up so much popularity these days that suddenly everyone has a
> Randonneuring bike instead of a Touring bike.Is there a real difference in
> bikes that I am not picking up on? Surely just the presence of a randonneu
> r
> handlebar does not make it a Randonneuring bike? I notice that these
> latter sometimes lack this bar, anyway, in current descriptions). Lighter
> racks make the bike as clothes sometimes make the man?
>
> Pondering if I have not sold some folks like Jerry Moos Touring bikes when
> they were really Randonneuring bikes (Jerry, you might owe me some more
> $$$!) The builder did refer to them as Sport Tourers, though.

>

> Tom Sanders

>

> Lansing, Mi USA