Re: Brooks saddles and water
I would also mention that adding about 10% or less glycerine to the water w ill aid greatly in the ease of working the leather as well as maintaining the future softness when it dries. . Just my experie nce on old Connoly.
Mark Greven Spokane, WA.
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> 1. FS: Motobecane f&f, hs&bb, 58 cm (Tom Hayes)
> 2. Re: Gios? (Dale Brown)
> 3. Re: Google search (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 4. Completed 1983 Masi GC Restoration- before and after Joe Bell
> Paint (Black) (Mark Cutrufelli)
> 5. Just a quick eBay link (brendan casey)
> 6. WTB: Colnago Images of the 1950's or 1960's
> 7. Simplex Selection Standard/ Professionel (Mark Stevens)
> 8. Industria Fiamme S.r.l. catalog (henox)
> 9. WTB: "Cycling" magazine fron the '50's and '60's. (henox)
> 10. Re: Loose Balls (Thomas Dusky)
> 11. 30.5 miles on the Ciocc resto-mod....thoughts... (Jesse Hearndon)
> 12. RE: Re: Loose Balls (Scott L. Minneman)
> 13. Re: Re: Loose Balls (Phil Brown)
> 14. Saddles and leather artistry (Jon Spangler)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:39:31 -0800
> From: "Tom Hayes" <hayesbikes@gmail.com>
> To: "CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FS: Motobecane f&f, hs&bb, 58 cm
> Message-ID: <779093150811240639j5a6fbbd1ub68a0e638ad9e083@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> If anyone is interested, I have a Motobecane Grand Record frame, fork
,
> headset, and bottom bracket for sale. The frame is in good condition
,
> though it does need cleaning of the stubborn grunge on it. It measures 5
8
> cm ct on the seattube and 55 cm cc on the toptube; the rear is spaced ~
123
> mm. It has Nervex lugs with, I would assume, Reynolds 531 tubing,
drop-outs
> with eyelets. It is missing the Reynolds decal; it has a decal for the
> headbadge; most of the other decals are in good condition. The threadi
ng is
> French; the Stronglight Competition headset is in good condition, a c
ouple
> of pieces of chrome missing, and the Stronglight Competition bottom is
in
> good condition too. There are scrapes, scatches, scuffs, and a pre
vious
> owner etched his initials under the bottom bracket. I cannot read the ful
l
> serial number but what I can read is the following: ?002226
>
> Pictures can be seen at the following:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> I goofed up the loading of pictures on the wooljersey site and didn't get
> them into an album, but they are viewable at the url posted above.
>
> $175 plus shipping, approximately $25-60 for Fed-Ex Ground.
> --
> Tom Hayes
> Chagrin Falls, Ohio USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:52:22 -0500
> From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>
> To: RDF1249@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Gios?
> Message-ID: <8CB1C5B641498C8-1124-A15@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com>
> In-Reply-To: <c2d.4b66b9cb.365ba5b9@aol.com>
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>
> << Anyone else but me think this is not likely a Gios? English threads
for starters, and the braz-ons are all wrong for 60s.>>
>
> Whew! As Keith Anderson says, that ain't no Gios. (BTW, isn't it nice
having Keith and Bob on our list, in addition to the rest of the top bui
lders & painters?)
>
> Look at the shoddy workmanship of the seat stay to drop out. And the misa
lignment is on both sides!?
>
> What makes folks do these fakes? Such a lot of trouble for such a minimal
reward!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina? USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RDF1249@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 1:37 am
> Subject: [CR]Gios?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone else but me think this is not likely a Gios? English threads for
> starters, and the braz-ons are all wrong for 60s.
>
> _http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Italy-Gios-Torino-Super-Record-frame-Campa
gnolo
> _W0QQitemZ280288322616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikepar
ts_SR
> ?hash=item280288322616&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A1
0|39%3A1|24
> 0%3A1318_
> (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Italy-Gios-Torino-Super-Record-frame-Campa
gnolo_W0QQitemZ280288322616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bi
> keparts_S
> R?hash=item280288322616&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:4|65:10|3
9:1|240:1318)
>
>
> Bob Freeman
> Elliott Bay Bicycles
> 2116 Western Ave
> Seattle, WA 98121
> 206-441-8144
> Home of Davidson Handbuilt Bicycles
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:20:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Google search
> Message-ID: <863733.80563.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <22c9cf1f501272bf6ac089ef657b6e2e@sbcglobal.net>
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> Message: 3
>
> I was there as well. Merckx outsprinted Poulidor in the final straight t
> o take the victory, no one else was close. So if the photo is of the
> finish, that is definitely Pou-Pou.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Google search
> To:
> Cc: "<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:19 PM
>
> I just found this
> http://www.flickr.com/
> and if it's the photo that's Poulidor behind him.
> Phil Brown
> Berkeley, Calif
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:21:11 -0500
> From: "Mark Cutrufelli" <masimark@gmail.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Completed 1983 Masi GC Restoration- before and after Joe
Bell
> Paint (Black)
> Message-ID: <A2D0D659A3764C21ADB7C932A74A1276@PC175064711631>
> In-Reply-To: <8CB1C5B641498C8-1124-A15@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com>
> References: <c2d.4b66b9cb.365ba5b9@aol.com>
> <8CB1C5B641498C8-1124-A15@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Here is the Link:
>
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Mark Cutrufelli
> Laurel,Maryland
> USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:23:42 -0500
> From: "brendan casey" <onlyofyou@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Just a quick eBay link
> Message-ID: <155da1ad0811240723l2423a646va69fd505eb2b8ad1@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> One wool jersey and one frame and fork:
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> I am the seller. Any advice, complaints or offers are welcomed off
> list. I appreciate the CR community's effort in sharing knowledge.
>
> Brendan Casey
> Kind of chilly in
> Brooklyn NY USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:03:38 +0000 (GMT)
> From: gholl@optonline.net
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Colnago Images of the 1950's or 1960's
> Message-ID: <e21daf1e29198.492ad05a@optonline.net>
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>
> I would like to purchase images of Colnago bikes shown in literature (mag
azines, brochures, etc.) from the 1950's or 1960's. The bikes must be l
abeled as Colnagos and the material dated. Any language is fine.
> Top prices paid.
> Thanks,
> George
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:07 -0000
> From: "Mark Stevens" <mark@lentran.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Simplex Selection Standard/ Professionel
> Message-ID: <39A30D5164104818883E961BDBCFD162@DJN4ZQ0J>
> References: <MONKEYFOODDC0AHmKqy00000127@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
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>
> I suspect that the parallelogram fork of the Simplex isn't such a good id
ea
> as they suggest; it would work fine if the chainline remained parallel
t
> o the chainring and the rear sprockets, but it doesn't (except, if li
ne
> d up correctly on a three-speed block, on the middle rear sprocket) - i
t
> bends, and the Super Champion type fork follows the chainline. It seem
s
> to me that the chain would be more likely to rub on the fork with the Sim
pl
> ex parallelogram, since it won't follow the actual chainline.
>
> If you refer to http://smg.photobucket.com/
> Super/ you'll see that Simplex advertise the "advantage" of the parallelo
gr
> am, using an illustration which misrepresents the actual chainline.
>
> I would be interested to know, Mark, whether the fork on your deraill
eu
> r actually does rub on the chain in practice, since I've never seeen on
e
> in operation.
>
> Neil Foddering
> Weymouth, Dorset, England
>
> Neil, the device was meant for 3 speed 1/8th only so no prob with chai
n rub
> if set up properly. I dont have a change fork of either type. I have a
> complete tension arm and 2 Standard type control quadrants. Any leads
to
> a fork of either variety much appreciated. Mark Stevens Evanton Scotland
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:06:05 -0800
> From: "henox" <henox@icycle.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Industria Fiamme S.r.l. catalog
> Message-ID: <011f01c94e4e$8e0b7160$0400000a@oemcomputer>
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>
> I think someone on this list was recently inquiring about Fiamme
> components. I couldn't find my Fiamme catalog that day but it has now
> surfaced.
>
> If still needed, contact me off list and I will arrange to supply a
> copy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hugh Enox
> La Honda, California, USA
> a little frosty this morning
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:16:22 -0800
> From: "henox" <henox@icycle.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB: "Cycling" magazine fron the '50's and '60's.
> Message-ID: <012801c94e4f$fdb2b4a0$0400000a@oemcomputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>
> I'd like to buy a few (maybe 3) copies of "Cycling Weekly" from the late
> 1950's or early 1960's. In this time period most of the reporting was on
> time trials on fixed gear with road racing just beginning to get
> coverage.
>
> I subscribed to this magazine for a long time but the back issues just
> never survived my many moves.
>
> Maybe contact me off list if you have some older issues you would part
> with.
>
> TIA,
>
> Hugh Enox
> La Honda, California, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:55:30 -0500
> From: Thomas Dusky <tdusky@comcast.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Loose Balls
> Message-ID: <2E75F04A-B051-4D75-A99E-BFFAE7535C0B@comcast.net>
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>
> All sizes of grade 25 ball bearings available from Bicycle classics.
> Bottom Bracket;
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
> Headsets:
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
> Hubs:
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
>
> Tom Dusky
> Huntington Woods, MI
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:28:34 -0500
> From: Jesse Hearndon <viper7990@hotmail.com>
> To: c r <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]30.5 miles on the Ciocc resto-mod....thoughts...
> Message-ID: <BAY102-W51D2DBA4BBCA8D3CC5A52BB0080@phx.gbl>
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>
>
> The $80 Selle Italia seat made all the difference, most comfortable bik
e
> seat I have ever used for long distances
>
> 20+ mph headwinds suck. End of story.
>
> The front derailleur keeps trying to drop into the small ring, every fe
w
> miles I have to pull the lever back, especially if I'm in 9th on the wh
ee
> l. For those interested, it's a Dura-Ace shifter setup on the original
60
> 0 front derailleur.
>
> Over 40mph down a hill it starts to run out of gear, it needs a couple
mo
> re teeth on the big ring. Could have gone a lot faster yesterday if I had
a
> 54 or a 56.
>
> I was going to go to a single speed crank until I climbed a steep bridge
ab
> out 20 to 30% grade, I'm keeping the double.
>
> Cork-gel griptape = AWESOME
>
> I've been keeping a record of how many miles I've logged since the restor
at
> ion with an odometer, I pulled into my friend's driveway yesterday (he
ha
> s a carbon-fiber Guercotti which I think is actually manufactured by Alan
> , it has aluminum lugs) and it read exactly 666.0 miles.
>
> He also has a set of Rolfs that would be absolute sex on my Ciocc, if I
h
> adn't already bought my FSA's I'd snatch them up.
>
> Current mileage is just over 675 miles.
>
> Another Ciocc might be possibly on the way, there is a blue one for sal
e
> 550 dollars pantographed everything all Campagnolo and in excellent condi
ti
> on, all original, it is a blue version of the one on the CR website.
Lo
> ok in the Italy section you'll see it.
>
> Jesse Hearndon
> West Melbourne, Florida
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mo
bi
> le®.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:26:36 -0800
> From: "Scott L. Minneman" <minneman@onomy.com>
> To: "'Thomas Dusky'" <tdusky@comcast.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Loose Balls
> Message-ID: <02cd01c94e62$31279910$9376cb30$@com>
> In-Reply-To: <2E75F04A-B051-4D75-A99E-BFFAE7535C0B@comcast.net>
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>
> ....and available from McMaster-Carr (same grade, all sizes) for a smal
l
> fraction of that price.
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com - search on (duh) ball bearings
>
> I think the point of the original posting was simply that it wasn't as ea
sy
> to just pop over to a local industrial outlet or "bearing shop" (before m
y
> time, that last one) and pick up a supply of these puppies in exchange
for a
> handful of dirt. At these low prices, keeping a hundred or two around
in
> the common sizes used on bikes doesn't seem burdensome.
>
> Campy grease, though....that's another story, price-wise.
>
> Speaking of grease, did I gather that somebody on the list had actually
> packed the barrels of their Campy hubs so full of grease that they could
use
> the oil port to force contaminated grease out the side seals? There's no
> way they should be packed like that, right? The drag of spinning a hub
body
> around that blob of stationary grease and fixed spindle (yes, I know en
ough
> about fluid dynamics to realize it'd be more complex than that, but wou
ld
> still have massive drag) would be really nasty.
>
> I hope, at least, that whomever even considers that style of lubricat
ion is
> using *really* light consistency grease (NLGI 0). If not, unpack those
hubs
> and your pedaling will get a lot easier.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott Minneman
> San Francisco, CA, USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dusky
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:56 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Loose Balls
>
> All sizes of grade 25 ball bearings available from Bicycle classics.
> Bottom Bracket;
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
> Headsets:
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
> Hubs:
> http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/
>
> Tom Dusky
> Huntington Woods, MI
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:55:41 -0800
> From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Loose Balls
> Message-ID: <51aa09abc135491c1d9df702d70209a9@sbcglobal.net>
> In-Reply-To: <02cd01c94e62$31279910$9376cb30$@com>
> References: <2E75F04A-B051-4D75-A99E-BFFAE7535C0B@comcast.net>
> <02cd01c94e62$31279910$9376cb30$@com>
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>
>
> On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Scott L. Minneman wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of grease, did I gather that somebody on the list had actual
ly
> > packed the barrels of their Campy hubs so full of grease that they
> > could use
> > the oil port to force contaminated grease out the side seals? There's
> > no
> > way they should be packed like that, right? The drag of spinning a
> > hub body
> > around that blob of stationary grease and fixed spindle (yes, I know
> > enough
> > about fluid dynamics to realize it'd be more complex than that, but
> > would
> > still have massive drag) would be really nasty.
> >
> > I hope, at least, that whomever even considers that style of
> > lubrication is
> > using *really* light consistency grease (NLGI 0). If not, unpack
> > those hubs
> > and your pedaling will get a lot easier.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Scott Minneman
> > San Francisco, CA, USA
> >
>
> The oil port on a Campy hub is just that-an oil port. In days of yore
> racers used oil, not grease and it could be renewed every day though
> the port. The only hub I know of that used a port to force grease
> through the hub is the slightly OT WildernessTrail/Suntour Grease Guard
> hub. Remember that grease is simply oil held in a soap so that is
> doesn't run out of the bearing.
> Phil Brown
> Has a grease Guard BB in Berkeley, Calif.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:18:41 -0800
> From: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> To: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: Silverman <rsilvercat@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR]Saddles and leather artistry
> Message-ID: <9C895072-6CE4-4514-A9A2-95017284FE79@earthlink.net>
> References: <926E4193-22C3-4F31-8637-DB7DF7088DFB@earthlink.net>
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>
> CR listers,
>
> I'd say that Bill really knows his leathers better than most:
>
> > http://www.eldoradostraps.com
> >
>
>
> His work is definitely in the spirit of our CR priorities, too: hand-
> made and custom-made products with terrific aesthetic values.
> Prepare to be enriched...
>
> Jon Spangler
> Alameda, CA USA
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Silverman <rsilvercat@earthlink.net>
> > Date: November 24, 2008 6:33:41 AM PST
> > To: Jon Spangler <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: CR posting, leather in business
> >
> > Jon:
> >
> > Check it out:
> >
> > http://www.eldoradostraps.com
> >
> > Bill Silverman
> >
> >
> > On Nov 23, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Jon Spangler wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Bill,
> >>
> >> What do you do in your business? There are not many who who go
> >> through that much leather...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 23, 2008, at 4:26 PM, classicrendezvous-
> >> request@bikelist.org wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:04:18 -0800
> >>> From: Silverman <rsilvercat@earthlink.net>
> >>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >>> Subject: [CR]Re: Brooks Reshaping
> >>> Message-ID: <76542C7B-6FA9-4E13-B49E-AD13AE588211@earthlink.net>
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> >>> Do NOT soak the B-17 in oil. What a mess! If you want to try
> >>> reshaping the skirts, soak them in WATER and then let it dry while
> >>> the skirts are blocked. By the way, you don't need to immerse the
> >>> entire saddle in water; you can use a sponge to repeatedly moisten
> >>> the leather skirts on the inside and outside. I feel reasonably
> >>> certain about this advice, as my business uses hundreds of square
> >>> feet of vegetable-tanned saddle grade leather each year. Or you can
> >>> also do what I did with the skirts on my B-17: cut them off and
> >>> "swallow-ize" the darned thing. It'll look great.
> >>>
> >>> Also, in regard to several postings of Brooks only using a select
> >>> few
> >>> die-cut pieces from an entire hide: most top quality hides are very
> >>> consistent, with the exception of the belly portions. I find it
> >>> hard
> >>> to believe that Brooks wouldn't use as much of the hide as possible
> >>> in crafting even their higher priced saddles.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Silverman
> >>> Pasadena, CA, USA
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> End of Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 71, Issue 82
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