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Neil Foddering Weymouth, Dorset, England
From: neilfoddering@hotmail.com To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Subject: RE: re Bayliss Wiley "Unit Bottom Bracket" and now Waller Kingsbur y Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:42:03 +0000
I've now taken some photos of my Waller ,to illustrate the lugs on the bb on which the bb fixed cup flats locate. (See first pic). The remainder a re a few detail shots of the frame. See:
http://smg.photobucket.com/
For more info on Waller, go to:
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/
Neil Foddering Weymouth, Dorset, England
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:13:55 -0500
> From: hmsachs@verizon.net
> Subject: re Bayliss Wiley "Unit Bottom Bracket"
> To: neilfoddering@hotmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; hmsach
s@verizon.net
>
> In his lament about the test run on his '49 Waller "Kingsbury," Neil
> Foddering notes that it has a Bayliss Wiley Unit Bottom Bracket. This
> seems to meet the description of the BB that came with my Andy Hamel,
> from Long Island. It is a neat unit, pictured at eBay 370094833808.
> Hilary Stone notes that the design might have helped solve a
> construction problem, by allowing the use of a thin-wall BB shell when
> building lugless:
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Hilary's picture also suggests a solution to Neil's problem of the unit
> bb rotating: Hilary's bike, and my Hamel, have a grease fitting that
can
> project down into the slot machined in the Bayliss Wiley bb.
>
> Elegant, eh?
>
> Would love to find out more about this system: did others make
> competitive products? Were they strictly used on lugless bikes (like the
> Thanet)? Considered an up-market or premium feature?
>
> thanks,
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va usa
>
>
>
> What ho, cycling chums!
>
> If you want to see photos of the very nice lightweights on the last ride
of
> the season for the V-CC's Hampshire Section, go to:
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/
> 202008/
>
> The first photo is of my 1949 Waller "Kingsbury"; I'd completed it's re
st
> oration the night before the ride, and the ride itself was it's test ru
n.
> What a good idea that was. It all went suspiciously well until 3/4 of
th
> e way round the ride, when the cranks not only went round and round,
bu
> t also started to go up and down and from side to side. The Bayliss-Wile
y
> Unit bottom bracket had started to dismantle itself, in that the steel
sl
> eeve was coming unthreaded from the fixed cup, not a candidate for road
si
> de repair. I managed to limp back to the start via a short cut.
>
> For those of you who will be restoring a bike designed for these Unit bb'
s
> (e.g., Waller, Thanet, Paris/Rensch) the following MAY be of intere
st
> .
>
> One of my companions told me that he'd had the same problem with his Pari
s
> Tour de France, and remedied it by cementing the steel sleeve in the fr
am
> e, thus effectively converting the plain bottom bracket shell to a thre
ad
> ed one. Peter Brown told me that the usual method was to drill the under
si
> de of the bottom bracket shell and the Unit bottom bracket sleeve, and
ta
> p the sleeve for a 2BA or 5mm dome head screw. Then a 2BA (or 5mm) screw
s
> hould be screwed through the hole in the shell and into the sleeve, to
s
> top the sleeve undscrewing.
>
> The Waller is different from most others, in that it has two lugs on th
e
> bottom bracket shell which locate on the flats of the fixed cup to stop i
t
> rotating, but nothing to stop the sleeve unscrewing from the fixed cup.
> Since I didn't want to drill my pristine Waller bb shell, nor to fill i
t
> with epoxy, I dismantled the Unit bb, cleaned and degreased the threa
ds
> on the sleeve and the fixed cup, and then applied epoxy to the thread
s
> , and screwed the fixed cup tightly into the sleeve. (Even I wasn't st
up
> id enough to epoxy the threads for the adjustable cup). My reasoning was
t
> hat I didn't want to maim the Waller, that it would take me a long time
t
> o wear out the NOS fixed cup, and when it does, even if I can't undo
it
> from the sleeve, I have spares.
>
>
> Neil Foddering
> Weymouth, Dorset, England
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