Hi all. The most comfortable saddle i ever rode was my 1967 Pro Swallo w. It's easy to see why this design launched the modern Flite and its clone s. I rode w/ my bars much lower back when i used the Swallow. These days i have a B17n [which i "swallowed" out myself]on a Campy Record 2 pin p ost w/ my bars much higher and i feel like i could use some more setback - i'll look into the VO sp mentioned. I'm overweight but have always li ked narrower saddles, e.g. the aforementioned Swallow, Concor and early Fli tes. Good luck. billy ketchum; chicago, il; usa.