This seller always seems to have tons of panto items as well as lots of other NOS stuff. I'm sure some of you have come across them in your searches.
Do these items seem like recent or original panto work? I've watched a couple of SR De Rosa panto chainrings that have looked nice, but seem to fetch a hefty sum.
Link to Colnago shifter example:
Cheers,
Bruce Audino NY, NY
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Greg S <gtsoftley@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> You are totally correct to be suspicious. I have been taking a close
> look at recent pantographing sales on ebay and the thing that distresses
> me most is that they are all so incorrect.
> The seller you mentioned sold two 1st series Colnago Pantografata seat
> posts (rhombus)recently and they looked pretty good compared to the
> normal offerings. Problem with them was that they were 27mm where they
> should have been 27.2mm which was the size of those frames in 73.
> The stem you mentioned is way off. Has nice rhombus panto on top but the
> engraved Colnago is twice the size it should be and the 1a stem should
> be the early nutted version.
> The bars are wrong as Colnago never offered this - only fine stamping of
> his head tube badge on the left side of the 3T bars.
> Engraving of deraileurs is a new concept and Colnago favoured cut-out
> and infilled with paint shift levers.
> Brake levers were cut out in two sections at the rear of the handle as
> well as pantograhed.
> Let me be totally frank...I have no problem with components being
> pantographed as long as the patterns are correct and the components are
> period correct. What will happen is that the correct look and history of
> these bikes will in time become blurred as more and more bikes are being
> built with the wrong designs. In a decade or two they will appear as
> undisputedly genuine. Unless there is some reference guide as to what
> original 70s and 80s pantograph designs actually looked like these
> modern 2nd rate incorrect replicas will be considered original and
> correct. I have begun to get as much of this as I can in picture form in
> my flickr site...but this is still a work in progress.
> http://www.flickr.com/
> Recently a set of deltas brakes appeared with large Colnago club
> engravings. They looked nice and fetched an above market price. Deltas
> were never engraved. This was recent pantographing. I purchased an
> original set of NOS deltas a year ago with the Colnago club and text on
> the plates and these are original and they are decals - not engraving.
> The seller of the deltas with the engraved plates mentioned in his
> recent ebay ad that these were the 'real thing', not the cheap copy
> decals!! I purchased my original deltas with original decals from his
> close business associate!
> The good news is that the prices that have been achieved are way under
> what original items have been selling for. Therefore we can assume that
> buyers are more savvy about originality than we might presume. Some of
> the pantoigraphing in my opinion has simply ruined good NR/SR components
> and turned them into trash.
> Sorry about the long email, but this is an issue that seems to have been
> neglected. I
> Greg Softley
> Coffs Harbour
> Australia
>
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Bruce Audino
New York City, NY
USA