Doug,
I may be getting the wrong end of the wrong stick here but for what it's worth I believe the person in question dosen't really press their luck too far and most of the stuff which might be described as Off Topic can arguably be described as KOF anyway?and is usually included in a whole raft of predominately On Topic goods for auction.
In addition the person I am thinking of (but could be mistaken) is a long established member of this list, has a in depth knowledge of classic bikes and bits?and continues to be a great asset to us all...
Ian Briggs Luton, Bedfordshire, UK
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Today's Topics:
1. Luxor "65"variations, and additional nightlights (Aldo Ross)
2. Brooks Saddle Advice (Bruce Audino)
3. Id Vintage Harry Quinn Data Point (Bill Kloos)
4. Re: Re[4]: [CR]A BH track hub. Italian ? http://tiny.cc/
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:31:44 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Luxor "65"variations, and additional nightlights Message-ID: <E5A7E6C0134D469DA2F3ADECDF43B855@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
I've added more nighttime pics of lights, and a photostudy of two variations of the Luxor "65" headlight:
http://aldoblog2008.blogspot.com/
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:20 -0500 From: "Bruce Audino" <uomodiolmo@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice Message-ID: <cb09e8f10812101238x56e133at52872b707dfb2753@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Hello CR,
I hope this counts as "on topic" as I figured there has to be a higher concentration of Brooks saddle users here than anywhere else possibly on Earth.
I am looking to replace the white San Marco Regal on my daily commuter and city transporter with a nice black Brooks. Why? Because it is not a great saddle for riding in blue jeans and dress slacks and the such and I'm tired of cleaning the darn thing. I am in a toss up between the B17 Special or the Team Professional. I know everyone fits saddles differently, so I am asking in your "general" experience which would be better suited on a steel lugged road frame with drops for comfortable city riding in casual clothes. I am about 5'10 and 160 so I'm pretty skinny and can ride comfortably on narrow saddles. The B17 on Harris is described to be suitable for bars that are at or above seat height and mine are slightly below, which has me leaning towards the Pro. On the other hand, seems that plenty of folks use the B17 on their road bikes. Whaddya think??
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:38:37 -0800 From: "Bill Kloos" <billkloos@landuseoregon.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: Bill Kloos <billkloos@landuseoregon.com> Subject: [CR]Id Vintage Harry Quinn Data Point Message-ID: <001801c95b07$48a01840$d9e048c0$@com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODGzZFlFQNK0000130f@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODGzZFlFQNK0000130f@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: billkloos@landUseOregon.com Message: 3
All: Anothe r data point: I am the second owner of Q2935, which was ordered in February of 1973 and picked up at the factory in June of 1973 from Harry Quinn himself, according to the first owner.
Bill Kloos Law Office of Bill Kloos, PC 375 W. 4th Street, Suite 204 Eugene, OR? 97401 Phone: (541) 343-8596 Fax: (541) 343-8702 e-mail: billkloos@landuseoregon.com Web http://www.LandUseOregon.com
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of charles hughes Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:20 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Id Vintage Harry Quinn
Hi CR Listers I need some help identifying the age of a Harry Quinn roadbike with the serial # Q3074.( bottom bracket shell) Any help would be gratefully accepted. Thanks Chuck Hughes, Westwood Ma
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:54:34 -0800
From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "Dmitry Yaitskov" <dima@rogers.com>,
"Phil Brown" <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: C R List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [CR]A BH track hub. Italian ? http://tiny.cc/
Dmitry: The only reason you're beating a dead horse is that it's frozen in
place up there in the cold north and you don't know it's dead yet.
The original Q was on a straight thread hub could a lockring be put on and
could one use a fixed cog on such a hub.
No one wanted to put a lockring on the same thread size as the cog on a
track hub.
A track hub by definition is one thread size for cog, and a sm
aller thread
diameter in LH for the lockring.
Whether it's single or double sided is not important.
Some hubs were made with both straight thread for freewheel or cluster and
the other side for a fixed.
Many people want to put a fixed cog on their straight sided threaded hub and
if it's tightened tight enuf it will usually stay tite and not roll off, but
I wouldn't take that chance, and never ride it on the track.
Using brakes on a fixed road use is smart in today's traffic.
We used to ride fixed in traffic years ago and had no brakes, but traffic
was much less and we knew how to glove our wheel and stop very qiuckly with
a little back pedaling.
Many times there is enuff thread left on a straight hub if the cog thread
section isn't too wide to sneak a BB lockring on. and save the expense of a
new wheel. Not really to race but fixed gear training and riding around is
fine.
Lots of guys used to strip down their road bikes and put the fixed on that
way and then several months later convert back.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA
> Hi,
>
> Initially, M-gineering wrote:
>
>> I've yet to see a track pro use a lockring on a trackhub
>
> on which I commented
>
>>> (And if one wants to split hairs - it's hard to use a BB lockring
>>> on a track hub simply because the threading would be wrong ....)
>
> and to which Phil Brown replied:
>
>> Not on the cog thread. It's the same as a BSC BB lock ring. Obviously
>> the actual lock ring is LH thread.
>
> AFAIK - on a *track* hub (see the quote I replied to), the cog thread
> is just wide enough to thread the cog on. There is not much space left
> for a RH-threaded BB lock ring before the LH thread starts, and you
> can NOT thread a RH BB lockring on that, track pro or not... which was
> my
point...
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Dmitry Yaitskov,
> beating a dead horse in cold Toronto,
> planning to put on studded tires on another fixie,
> that one WITH a proper track hub and lock ring...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:24:57 +0000 From: Doug Smith <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Advertising Off topic Goods Message-ID: <COL102-W265B878AF5CBFEFF051B0D90FB0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
No wonder I and others get frustrated at times when certain people use the use the list against the rules. Again a member appears to push their luck with a long list of goods they have on E Bay taking up a great deal of space to which other members attention has been drawn to the infringement in the past and even struck off.
There does 'nt seem nothing wrong in drawing in members attention to goods for sale on Ebay and their URL contact but to add a long list of off topic goods seems very unfair and surely must be against the rules.
I know I have brought this subject up before and have been critized
for daring to make such comments so perhaps the outcome of my
efforts to see fair play will not be received with much needed
changes in some members behaviour!
Doug Smith
North Dorset
UK
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:26:08 +1100 From: "Greg S" <gtsoftley@ozemail.com.au> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Unobtanium Colnagos Message-ID : <9A6013C60B5D4B4698BBCBF52D78A503@sn2046777123> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6
Hi Crew,
Two special Colnagos that will be of interest to anyone who has even a
minute curiosity about this marque. There has been debate as to what a
pre 1970 Colnago should look like and the 'playing card' style is what
has been accepted as the earliest one most are familiar with.
Determination to find the truth together with hard work and assistance
from friends, has created a correct and gorgeous 1969 Colnago Super in
original color with correct varnish fix decals. I am sure no other
example this complete and accurate exists.
Link http://www.flickr.com/
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:28:34 -0500
From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net>
To: C R List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [CR]A BH track hub. Italian ? http://tiny.cc/
At 12:54 PM 10/12/2008 -0800, ternst wrote:
>The original Q was on a straight thread hub could a lockring be put on and
>could one use a fixed cog on such a hub.
>No one wanted to put a lockring on the same thread size as the cog on a
>track hub.
>A track hub by definition is one thread size for cog, and a smaller thread
>diameter in LH for the lockring.
>Whether it's single or double sided is not important.
>Some hubs were made with both straight thread for freewheel or cluster and
>the other side for a fixed.
>Many people want to put a fixed cog on their straight sided threaded hub and
>if it's tightened tight enuf it will usually stay tite and not roll off, but
>I wouldn't take that chance, and never ride it on the track.
>Using brakes on a fixed road use is smart in today's traffic.
>We used to ride fixed in traffic years ago and had no brakes, but traffic
>was much less and we knew how to glove our wheel and stop very qiuckly with
>a little back pedaling.
>Many times there is enuff thread left on a straight hub if the cog thread
>section isn't too wide to sneak a BB lockring on. and save the expense of a
>new wheel. Not really to race but fixed gear training and riding around is
>fine.
>Lots of guys used to strip down their road bikes and put the fixed on that
>way and then several months later convert back.
That's exactly right. Back in the day when I rode with a club in the UK,
used to remove the block and replace it with a single cog and BB lockring
for winter riding, often dispensing with the rear brake, but never the
front. The law was very strict about having two "brakes". The question
should be, why did Nick March describe this as a track hub when it does not
have track threading?
http://membres.lycos.fr/
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:29 -0800 From: "CyclArt Shop" <shop@cyclart.com> To: "Bruce Audino" <uomodiolmo@gmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice Message-ID: <DAECJCGMAPNDNDBOEMIKEELLHEAA.shop@cyclart.com> In-Reply-To: <cb09e8f10812101238x56e133at52872b707dfb2753@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: shop@cyclart.com Message: 8
Bruce,
I have the saddles you speak of on my two most-ridden bikes. The Team Pro is on a (barely off-topic by a year) fixed-wheel road bike, the B17 (standard, not Special, but the same size) on an XO-1. The road bike's bar is a standard drop, the XO's is the stock Nitto moustache bar. Both are below saddle height, but the moustache bar of course has no drop to speak of.
The Team Pro spent the first half of its life on the XO, but I was never very comfortable on it. It fits me best when I am on the drops of the road bike, and really "getting with the program." The B17 is much better for the more upright positions and more casual pace of the XO-1.
Greg Reiche CyclArt Vista, CA USA
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Audino Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:38 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice
Hello CR,
I hope this counts as "on topic" as I figured there has to be a higher concentration of Brooks saddle users here than anywhere else possibly on Earth.
I am looking to replace the white San Marco Regal on my daily commuter and city transporter with a nice black Brooks. Why? Because it is not a great saddle for riding in blue jeans and dress slacks and the such and I'm tired of cleaning the darn thing. I am in a toss up between the B17 Special or the Team Professional. I know everyone fits saddles differently, so I am asking i n your "general" experience which would be better suited on a steel lugged road frame with drops for comfortable city riding in casual clothes. I am about 5'10 and 160 so I'm pretty skinny and can ride comfortably on narrow saddles. The B17 on Harris is described to be suitable for bars that are at or above seat height and mine are slightly below, which has me leaning towards the Pro. On the other hand, seems that plenty of folks use the B17 on their road bikes. Whaddya think??
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:51:49 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: gtsoftley@ozemail.com.au Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Unobtanium Colnagos Message-ID: <20081210.135149.28925.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9
Greg,
Outstanding! I have a '69 Colnago that is just like the one pictured; bu t of course I got mine in really haggard condition and did not have acce ss to the real graphics of the period. I'd like to redo mine if you plan on reproducing those decals.
The track bike is a real beauty. Are you sure it's a 1959? The decal on the head tube reads Roma 1960, which is the year the Olympics were held in Rome. It's unlikely to be a 1959 frame with an original decal that re ads 1960. It must be an early 60's bike, in my opinion. Generally the de cal that states a date comes shortly after the event or even a little la ter.
Thanks for doing the research and putting it out there where we all can see and benefit from it. Again, outstanding work!
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
Hi Crew, Two special Colnagos that will be of interest to anyone who has even a
minute curiosity about this marque. There has been debate as to what a
pre 1970 Colnago should look like and the 'playing card' style is what
has been accepted as the earliest one most are familiar with.
Determination to find the truth together with hard work and assistance
from friends, has created a correct and gorgeous 1969 Colnago Super in
original color with correct varnish fix decals. I am sure no other
example this complete and accurate exists.
Link http://www.flickr.com/
resides here in Australia. A sublime and historically significant work
of craftsmanship. I have detailed and high definition pictures which
demonstrate the genuine patina of the last 49 years and the state of
preservation of this remarkable museum piece.
Link http://www.flickr.com/
design and construction which link the early 60s, through the Molteni
years and into the early 70s have become apparent and I am in the
process of documenting this into a legible and logical form. Greg Softley Coffs Harbour Australia
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, Bruce Audino <uomodiolmo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice Message-ID: <917626.15486.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <cb09e8f10812101238x56e133at52872b707dfb2753@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net Message: 10
I think either one will be fine.? Many large riders tend to find the?17
0 mm wide B17 more comfortable than the 160 mm Team Pro.? Average size or
smaller riders tend to use the B17 on touring/commuting/randonneur machine
s and the Team Pro on racing machines, which is what I tend to do myself.
? The theory I suppose is that touring machines may typically have the ba
rs higher than racing machines and the tourist may spend less time on the d
rops than the racer.? Note that I am talking about the B17 Standard and B
17 Champion Special.? There is also a B17 Narrow, which is 155 mm wide, a
ctually narrower than the team Pro.
From: Bruce Audino <uomodiolmo@gmail.com> Subject: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:38 PM
Hello CR,
I hope this counts as "on topic" as I figured there has to be a higher concentration of Brooks saddle users here than anywhere else possibly on Earth.
I am looking to replace the white San Marco Regal on my daily commuter and city transporter with a nice black Brooks. Why? Because it is not a great saddle for riding in blue jeans and dress slacks and the such and I'm tired of cleaning the darn thing. I am in a toss up between the B17 Special or the Team Professional. I know everyone fits saddles differently, so I am asking in your "general" experience which would be better suited on a steel lugged road frame w ith drops for comfortable city riding in casual clothes. I am about 5'10 and 160 so I'm pretty skinny and can ride comfortably on narrow saddles. The B17 on Harris is described to be suitable for bars that are at or above seat height and mine are slightly below, which has me leaning towards the Pro. On the other hand, seems that plenty of folks use the B17 on their road bikes. Whaddya think??
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, Bruce Audino <uomodiolmo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice Message-ID: <481797.55620.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <cb09e8f10812101238x56e133at52872b707dfb2753@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net Message: 11
I think either one will be fine.? Many large riders tend to find the?17
0 mm wide B17 more comfortable than the 160 mm Team Pro.? Average size or
smaller riders tend to use the B17 on touring/commuting/randonneur machine
s and the Team Pro on racing machines, which is what I tend to do myself.
? The theory I suppose is that touring machines may typically have the ba
rs higher than racing machines and the tourist may spend less time on the d
rops than the racer.? Note that I am talking about the B17 Standard and B
17 Champion Special.? There is also a B17 Narrow, which is 155 mm wide, a
ctually narrower than the team Pro.
?
But all this is subject to individual taste.? There are no doubt B17 Stan
dards used on racing bikes and there are certainly Broo
ks Swallows, at 152
mm even a bit narrower than the B17 Narrow, used on touring bikes.
?
Regards,
?
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA
From: Bruce Audino <uomodiolmo@gmail.com> Subject: [CR]Brooks Saddle Advice To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:38 PM
Hello CR,
I hope this counts as "on topic" as I figured there has to be a higher concentration of Brooks saddle users here than anywhere else possibly on Earth.
I am looking to replace the white San Marco Regal on my daily commuter and city transporter with a nice black Brooks. Why? Because it is not a great saddle for riding in blue jeans and dress slacks and the such and I'm tired of cleaning the darn thing. I am in a toss up between the B17 Special or the Team Professional. I know everyone fits saddles differently, so I am asking in your "general" experience which would be better suited on a steel lugged road frame with drops for comfortable city riding in casual clothes. I am about 5'10 and 160 so I'm pretty skinny and can ride comfortably on narrow saddles. The B17 on Harris is described to be suitable for bars that are at or above seat height and mine are slightly below, which has me leaning towards the Pro. On the other hand, seems that plenty of folks use the B17 on their road bikes. Whaddya think??
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:40:58 -0500 From: "aldoross4" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Another set of interesting French fenders Message-ID: <4940538a.2c6.45cb.442130858@siscom.net> Content-Type: text/pl ain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: aldoross4@siscom.net Message: 12
Found another interesting set of fenders on eBay-France. Not sure how to describe the embossed pattern... overlapping spoons, perhaps? Note the angular mud flap at the bottom of the front fenter... is it aluminum, too? 650B, complete with struts and rear rack, but only available to France.
http://aldoblog2008.blogspot.com
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:39:52 -0800
From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "C R List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
"John Betmanis" <johnb@oxford.net>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [CR]A BH track hub. Italian ? http://tiny.cc/
I think John has it that our buddie Nick mislead us by asking about a track
hub when indeed it is a road hub with wide straight threading size.
I even thought guys would ride freewheel to TT's and reverse wheel, ride
fixed in the TT and then reverse wheel for ride home.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA
> At 12:54 PM 10/12/2008 -0800, ternst wrote:
>
>>The original Q was on a straight thread hub could a lockring be put on and
>>could one use a fixed cog on such a hub.
>>No one wanted to put a lockring on the same thread size as the cog on a
>>track hub.
>
>A track hub by definition is one thread size for cog, and a smaller thread
>>diameter in LH for the lockring.
>>Whether it's single or double sided is not important.
>>Some hubs were made with both straight thread for freewheel or cluster and
>>the other side for a fixed.
>>Many people want to put a fixed cog on their straight sided threaded hub
>>and
>>if it's tightened tight enuf it will usually stay tite and not roll off,
>>but
>>I wouldn't take that chance, and never ride it on the track.
>>Using brakes on a fixed road use is smart in today's traffic.
>>We used to ride fixed in traffic years ago and had no brakes, but traffic
>>was much less and we knew how to glove our wheel and stop very qiuckly
>>with
>>a little back pedaling.
>>Many times there is enuff thread left on a straight hub if the cog thread
>>section isn't too wide to sneak a BB lockring on. and save the expense of
>>a
>>new wheel. Not really to race but fixed gear training and riding around is
>>fine.
>>Lots of guys used to strip down their road bikes and put the fixed on that
>>way and then several months later convert back.
>
> That's exactly right. Back in the day when I rode with a club in the UK,
> used to remove the block and replace it with a single cog and BB lockring
> for winter riding, often dispensing with the rear brake, but never the
> front. The law was very strict about having two "brakes". The question
> should be, why did Nick March describe this as a track hub when it does
> not
> have track threading?
> http://membres.lycos.fr/
>
> John Betmanis
> Woodstock, Ontario
> Canada
> _______________________________________________
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